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Old 11-11-2014, 10:30 AM
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2011 JGC rough starting after (DIY) transmission service

Looking for some help. (thanks for reading this lengthy thread and chiming in…here goes…)

I performed a drain/fill (and filter replacement) on my 2011 JGC and now I get intermittent rough starts (constantly cranks but wont turn over), if it decides to turn over, sometimes will sputter and stall out. This happens during a remote start or trying to do a manual start (pushing the brake and using the push button, or key).

Funny thing is this didnt happen before I did the transmission service.
I used AMSOIL (signature series ATF...made sure ATF+4 was listed) and a WIX filter kit (specifically one for 4WD).

I drove the vehicle around to get the fluid warm and then proceeded with dropping the pan w/o making a mess (one side at a time). Once the pan was down I proceeded with replacing the filters. First the round filter, filter came out easily once I got the right wrench, but the neck of the filter (part with the threads separated from the actual filter body), no biggie, I just unscrewed that portion and then installed the new round filter (after I "pre-charged" the new filter with ATF fluid) and hand tightened down. Now for the rectangular filter, removed the screw and removed the filter but left the existing seal (figured after reading the warnings of placing the seal on the pump body and not the filter neck, leaving the existing one on the pump body would eliminate any issues if I would have attempted to remove and replace it….was this my mistake to not replace it?...the cause of my problems?). I made sure the filter neck was properly seated up into the pump body and up against the seal, re-installed the screw on the filter (tightened by hand a good amount – not checked to 40ft-lbs….could this be the issue also?) For the pan I cleaned off the existing gasket and wiped down the pan, also cleaning off the magnet at the bottom of the pan. I placed a continuous bead of RTV gear sealant around the pan the placed the rubber gasket from the kit on the pan, on top of the rubber gasket I put a thin layer of the RTV gear sealant and proceeded with reinstalling the pan. (Did I miss any steps?)
I let the sealant dry for about 30-45 min before proceeding with refilling with transmission fluid. I re-filled using 6.5 quarts (mentioned on the wk2jeeps and the amsoil site). When I attempted to start the vehicle that’s when starting problems started happening, two or three attempts resulting in long cranks until it basically timed out. I figured at first maybe the trans fluid levels were low or didn’t get to all parts of the trans so I shifted through the gears. I checked the fluid level and it was a bit low so I added more ultimately until I’ve added a total of about 8 quarts (since I serviced it on Sunday).

This morning, the vehicle wouldn't start at all , just constantly cranking. Even dropping the trans in Neutral, the vehicle wouldn't start. I thought maybe it’s the battery, so I connected my black and decker 10amp charger and alternator tester and the battery level indeed showed being low, so I let it charge a bit (45-min, showed the battery was in the green “charged”, but stopped it before the green indicator light appeared) and attempted to start it again…nothing, long cranking until it timed out again. Couldn’t do more troubleshooting as I had to be at work. Once I get home I'll try leaving the charger on longer and see if there's any change.

Is it possible that doing a drain/fill/filter replacement can cause starting issues? Anything else I should look for to troubleshoot?

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Re: 2011 JGC rough starting after (DIY) transmission service

EDIT: So I did a full charge on the battery after work yesterday, I actually connected the battery charger directly to the battery beneath the passenger seat and waited for the indicator to tell me it was charged.

Proceeded with starting and...wallahh it started!....but soon sputtered/hesitated and cut off. Huh?...leads me more to believe that it could be related to the TIPM recall and nothing to do with the transmission service I did.
I waited a couple seconds and attempted to start it again, this time is started and stayed on. I then proceeded to shut it off and on a couple more times (it did so w/o issues), but man - I got no confidence in this vehicle.

So the wife called the dealer to see what could be done and if indeed this is all the result of the recall. So would you guys recommend getting a tow truck (we have AAA to tow it), or chance it and drive it to the dealer? (about 15min away)
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Hi. Did you ever get a reply or solution to your starting problem?
I have a Nov 2011 limited crd GC with similar problem.
Push start button, starts cranking and won't stop till it times out.(approx. 20 or 30 seconds).
It has done this about 5 times, last time twice consecutively. Rather worrying! A non dealer Service did a filter change about 3 mths ago and the first event happened about 2.5 mths ago.
I cant imagine filters would stop diesel fuel flow to cause this. So I would be real keen to hear comments from you or other members who are experiencing this issue. The idea of being stuck in the outback is a real concern.

Thanks in advance
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Re: 2011 JGC rough starting after (DIY) transmission service

My last post.... The filter change were the fuel filters. I should have clarified that. Apart from that, my symptoms are the same...
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Re: 2011 JGC rough starting after (DIY) transmission service

Sorry to hear about your Jeep Gandalf. I'm not well versed on replacing the fuel filters on Jeeps, but could the fuel filter have been installed improperly? Possible that the filter is directional and is installed in the wrong direction? Anybody else confirm this?

The end result fix for mine was getting the TIPM recall done. Hard for me to believe that the TIPM issue caused the headache, but the dealer install the bypass fix and voila! (knock on wood!!)

Before we could have the recall fix performed (we had to wait for parts to be available 2-3 weeks...such B/S), I needed the Jeep to start properly since it is a primary work vehicle I ended up buying a bypass/test kit from 2011-2012 Dodge Durango/Jeep Grand Cherokee TIPM Repair/Bypass Solutions. The kit was actually worth it since its basically the same bypass the dealer needed to install to fix the issue. It provided power directly to the fuel pump and I was able to start the vehicle properly. The ability to test the fuel pump with the kit was an added bonus.

Are the CRD editions under the same recall?

Best of luck to you, hope that the issue gets resolved quickly.
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Re: 2011 JGC rough starting after (DIY) transmission service

Hi Vrock
don't know if crd's are on recall yet. I been away for a few days, and only just started looking at the hundreds of POSTS on this starting issue. seems like it has been around for ages. and the resolutions seems not at all decisive. I am going to do the bypass/test solution first. and if that proves the problem, then I will acquire the parts for the " hack upgrade".
Did you get the TIMP replaced or the "Hack version" installed? Is it working OK and how long since you had it done?
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Re: 2011 JGC rough starting after (DIY) transmission service

The stealership did not replace the TIPM but installed the "official" bypass kit (same as the hack kit i mentioned earlier). Since having the recall work done at the stealership starting hasnt been an issue - whether remote start, manual start (using the push button) or using the actual key fob. No issues since it was done late 11/2014.
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Re: 2011 JGC rough starting after (DIY) transmission service

at least that's good news.

btw, my jeep is a crd and not covered at this stage. I don't know why. so looks like I will be doing it myself

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