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Old 04-21-2013, 08:48 AM
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Re: 2014 GC Totally $#@% dead

I feel your pain. My '11 died, as well (link to my post). Luckily, it looks like my dealer fixed my problem.

Chrysler/Jeep really does have to do something about their finicky electrical/electronic systems. IMHO, there is absolutely no excuse for a new modern vehicle becoming totally dead. Modern vehicles are very complex and problems are to be expected, but dieing is totally unacceptable.
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I wouldn't blame road side assistance. They were ready and willing to do their job. They can't be held responsible if the local dealer is not up to snuff. The documentation clearly states that the owner is responsible for additional mileage.
I beg to differ...

I'd still blame Chrysler and their road side assistance, they SHOULD cover the vehicle's tow to the original dealership where it was bought...within reason of course...especially with only a couple hundred miles on it. The extra 15 minutes of drive time should not matter.
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I beg to differ...

I'd still blame Chrysler and their road side assistance, they SHOULD cover the vehicle's tow to the original dealership where it was bought...within reason of course...especially with only a couple hundred miles on it. The extra 15 minutes of drive time should not matter.
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Old 04-21-2013, 11:26 AM
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Had a similar issue on my 2012. It was a loose alternator cable.
Has the car been totally solid since then? Just curious. If something like that can cause the thing to go so totally batcrap crazy, well, what's next? Over time, anything can get loose.
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Old 04-21-2013, 11:33 AM
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I'd still blame Chrysler and their road side assistance, they SHOULD cover the vehicle's tow to the original dealership where it was bought...within reason of course...especially with only a couple hundred miles on it. The extra 15 minutes of drive time should not matter.
Absolutely. The dealer is 32 miles away, 90% highway. In some areas of the country (say, NH, where I'm originally from), would they not tow a vehicle 32 miles to the nearest dealership?

I can almost understand if the car has 10K miles on it, but the car has just over THREE HUNDRED MILES on it and it stickered for $41,500. The CORRECT answer on the phone should have been, "you just picked it up on Wednesday and it's dead on the side of the road? Let me talk with a supervisor -- of course we will tow it to your dealer 32 miles away. I'm very sorry this happened."

THAT is the service that a vehicle manufacturer that plays against luxury brands should provide. I mean, if you really want to play with the big boys.

Instead, it's like VW and the Phaeton, where you buy a true luxury automobile and you're still stuck with VW service.

And bill_de - "But had he agreed to have it towed to his dealer of choice from the beginning he would have a smaller charge on his credit card this morning."

Oh, they will absolutely be paying for this. Not even a question. I will not be out of pocket for this. Either the dealer is paying, or Chrysler will. But I will not be on the hook for this.

Thanks for letting me vent, guys. After the accident with the Acura, the guy who ran the light turning out not to be insured, me being on the hook for $$$ for a rental, another Jeep dealer taking a deposit and then telling me they couldn't get the car, and me having to fight to get the deposit back, and now this, I'm just fricking exhausted by the whole damn thing. I just want a car that is solid in my driveway that my wife and 5-year-old can use, and that I don't have to worry about at all.

First world problems, I know.
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Old 04-21-2013, 11:41 AM
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Re: 2014 GC Totally $#@% dead

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I feel your pain. My '11 died, as well (link to my post). Luckily, it looks like my dealer fixed my problem.

Chrysler/Jeep really does have to do something about their finicky electrical/electronic systems. IMHO, there is absolutely no excuse for a new modern vehicle becoming totally dead. Modern vehicles are very complex and problems are to be expected, but dieing is totally unacceptable.
Just read your post. Wow. Yeah, I gotta say I love my 2002 Wrangler. I bought it solely because it was a one-owner, and the guy had it 100K miles. I knew it was probably one of the "good ones," but the big thing is that there is so little to go wrong on them. One year later, and at 116K miles, the starter is the only thing that I've had to replace.

With any new vehicles, with sensors and computers everywhere, I think leasing will be my "new norm." I just don't see when these things start wearing, how these vehicles will stay on the road, and even if they do, how much will it cost? There is just too much to go wrong that they don't even know about. I also thought Chrysler was starting to address a lot of these issues since the days when they were dead last in all the quality ratings. We'll see. But for now, I am very glad I leased this thing and bought the extra 3 months of warranty. I'm covered for the full 39 months / 39000 miles bumper to bumper. So far, that seems to be the only good decision I made last Wednesday.

Yeah, I know I'm overreacting. I'm just pissed right now.
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Re: 2014 GC Totally $#@% dead

Being odd, I would have just felt for a hot terminal (most likely on the battery. Bet it turns out to be a bad connection. With that low milage it might even be a badly crimped cable but suspect it is a nut that has backed off or was cross threaded initially.

Am surprised the tow truck driver did not check the basic connections., I have AAA+ (100 miles towing) and is something they always ask. Also they tow to my house if I ask them, no charge.

ps from the description (most flickering when at idle or stopped) my money is on the battery circuit. Could even be a bad battery and I would not blame CJF for that, I just had a big 2009 marine Optima fail.
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Old 04-21-2013, 07:20 PM
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Symptom/Vehicle Issue:
Mil Lamp On Warning Lamp Flicker, DTC’s U0125-00 Lost Communication With Dynamic Sensor,
P0501 Vehicle Speed Sensor 1 Performance, U1412 Implausible Vehicle Speed Signal

Diagnosis:
Instrument cluster warning lamps on at times, ABS and Mil Lamp flicker. DTC’s U0125-00 Lost
Communication With Dynamic Sensor, P0501 Vehicle Speed Sensor 1 Performance, U1412
Implausible Vehicle Speed Signal Received may be stored or active.

Repair Procedure:
A recent report indicates a loose ground at the G903A location. Inspect, clean and tighten as needed


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Old 04-21-2013, 08:10 PM
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Re: 2014 GC Totally $#@% dead

Blame will be assigned shortly -- to a battery, to Chrysler, to whomever. I will talk to the service desk first thing Monday morning.

As for the TSB, there were no out of the ordinary warning lights on the dash, which is part of what concerned me. The dash was solid, no flickering. The flickering was from the headlamps only. Then the vehicle would pop out of drive and into neutral (better than popping into drive FROM neutral I guess), then when I tried shutting the vehicle off, it died completely. Might be the same issue, might not I guess. I guess it could be a weird battery issue, but the Jeep started totally fine, no indication of anything wrong with the battery.

My hope also is that it's a ground somewhere. What I don't want to happen is to have it be an "issue not found" and it ends up in my driveway with no diagnosis.
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Re: 2014 GC Totally $#@% dead

Just some thoughts: with an alternator, the main control is the battery itself. If anyone has heard of "ELI the ICE man" then you know that an alternator is made up of magnetic fields. If at a high rate of charge at say 14v and you disconnect the battery, the field does not collapse instantly and you can get surges.

With a 55A GM 10DN I have seen 200v on a battery disconnect. The good news is that if the dash stayed steady then it probably had a good circuit to the battery. The headlamps flickering could indicate they did not.

When the trans popped, did the lever actually move from drive to neutral ? Or did the transmission seem to shift to neutral (two different issues). Also did the headlights flicker all the time or only at idle ? Was the a/c or heater on ? (increased load).

Must admit everything sounds like a bad connection or battery except for the jumping out of gear particularly if the lever moved.

BTW everything on until the starter engages then everything goes black is common with a bad battery or connection.
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Just some thoughts: with an alternator, the main control is the battery itself. If anyone has heard of "ELI the ICE man" then you know that an alternator is made up of magnetic fields. If at a high rate of charge at say 14v and you disconnect the battery, the field does not collapse instantly and you can get surges.

With a 55A GM 10DN I have seen 200v on a battery disconnect. The good news is that if the dash stayed steady then it probably had a good circuit to the battery. The headlamps flickering could indicate they did not.

When the trans popped, did the lever actually move from drive to neutral ? Or did the transmission seem to shift to neutral (two different issues). Also did the headlights flicker all the time or only at idle ? Was the a/c or heater on ? (increased load).

Must admit everything sounds like a bad connection or battery except for the jumping out of gear particularly if the lever moved.

BTW everything on until the starter engages then everything goes black is common with a bad battery or connection.
Lever did not move from what I remember. The transmission just popped out of gear. The headlights flickered while driving so it was not just at idle. I believe the ac was off. Car started fine. Flickered headlights, then popped out of gear. After that, first time I shut it off and everything went black. I couldn't even put the flashers on. Car was in the middle of the road in the dark with no flashers. Ugh. Walked home. Came back and car seemed fine. Started up fine, noticed headlights flickering and then the same procedure happened.

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Re: 2014 GC Totally $#@% dead

OK. First - with erratic power, the electrics can do *anything*. Sounds like on loss of power, the trans defaults to neutral.

Second, the major current draw is the starter to battery and that circuit sounds good. I would look to power/ground connections to the ITSM first and then the body/engine connections. With multiple failures, faulty grounds are more likely than power circuits. At this point a wiring diagram is essential.

Now let's see what the dealer says.
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