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Old 08-06-2013, 06:26 AM
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Circuits are protected under normal circumstances. The water changed all that. You can have a blown fuse and put in water and it will conduct electricity. Pretty basic electronics involves a positive and negative. Cross it with water and all that changes. Positive charges can be sent through the negatives and possibly through out the vehicle.Circuits,circuit boards,relays etc. can be damaged or weakened. He had problems wit h the radio which I understood they replaced and now he is getting error messages.
With the high amperage in a 12v system you short a harness or circuit just the right way,such in the case of this water damage and the harness will melt before it blows a fuse.
I would think that by now, even Jeep would be using technology that was developed in the 1950s to protect against that situation. Each module should have its own protection circuit.

"A thyristor is a (electronics)solid-state semiconductor device with four layers of alternating and P-type material. They act as bistable switches, conducting when their gate receives a current trigger, and continue to conduct while they are forward biased (that is, while the voltage across the device is not reversed).
Some sources define silicon controlled rectifiers and thyristors as synonymous. Other sources define thyristors as a larger set of devices with at least four layers of alternating N and P-type material.
The first thyristor devices were released commercially in 1956[/B]. Because thyristors can control a relatively large amount of power and voltage with a small device, they find wide application in control of electric power, ranging from light dimmers and electric motor speed control to high-voltage direct current power transmission. Originally thyristors relied only on current reversal to turn them off, making them difficult to apply for direct current; newer device types can be turned on and off through the control gate signal. A thyristor is not a proportional control like a transistor but is only ever fully on or fully off, making them unsuitable for analog amplifiers."
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Old 08-11-2013, 02:16 PM
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Re: And so it continues...

Hi All,

Sorry about the lack of replies, I have been working literally 14 - 16 hours a day...

To answer some of the earlier posts about one module affecting others, according to the dealer, the BCM getting fried is exactly what put strain in the ICM, TGM and Radio, causing them to fail. (btw, I am not even 100% what those mean, other than they are different computer/control modules.)

As for my jeep:

It's been a week, the Jeep is running well. Before we even had a chance to decide what we wanted to do, Chrysler corporate and the dealership had to go and act like jerks. Some regional guy said "take an extended warranty and live with it, I don't understand why you would be upset by anything that happened, move on" (at least, I got that info second hand from someone at the dealer). The extended warranty could be nice, if I wasn't leasing, but it is more the attitude, than looking for free stuff.

The head of service at the dealer could not immediately tell my wife that he would be ok with putting his kids in my Jeep and driving around. That just set her off more.

For now, I am kind of holding her off, telling her I will drive it around some more, and see if it acts up again. -- I know, I am a sucker, right?

I do know 17 people at my company that went with different vehicles than Chrysler products because of what happened to me. -- that number may sound high, but we have a 3000+ US sales force, that all get company cars.

AMC, what are you driving in the mean time? Did you have to turn in the Jeep?
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Old 08-11-2013, 05:17 PM
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As for my jeep:

It's been a week, the Jeep is running well. Before we even had a chance to decide what we wanted to do, Chrysler corporate and the dealership had to go and act like jerks. Some regional guy said "take an extended warranty and live with it, I don't understand why you would be upset by anything that happened, move on" (at least, I got that info second hand from someone at the dealer). The extended warranty could be nice, if I wasn't leasing, but it is more the attitude, than looking for free stuff.

The head of service at the dealer could not immediately tell my wife that he would be ok with putting his kids in my Jeep and driving around. That just set her off more.

For now, I am kind of holding her off, telling her I will drive it around some more, and see if it acts up again. -- I know, I am a sucker, right?

I do know 17 people at my company that went with different vehicles than Chrysler products because of what happened to me. -- that number may sound high, but we have a 3000+ US sales force, that all get company cars.

AMC, what are you driving in the mean time? Did you have to turn in the Jeep?
You know, that regional rep has to go. I would not be a bit surprised if that is the EXACT same guy that told my "Chrysler Cares" guy that I was whining and complaining over nothing and that they would not replace my Jeep because shutting off in the middle of driving was something that would simply be covered under warranty and "no way in hell" (yes, he said that) would they replace my Jeep. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it was the same guy. Hey guy - guess what? You ARE buying my Jeep back!

The good news is hopefully you are past the worst. Our car is pretty good, except now the transmission seems to be shifting weirdly, not just the abrupt shifts anymore. I am glad we are turning it in soon. Luckily for you if they got all the shorted out modules, at least they didn't have to replace mechanical things like the transfer case, etc.

Not turned in yet. Shouldn't be long now. All my paperwork is in. I have no idea what we are getting next. We test drove the TDI's, but the dealer doesn't want to budge on price so I am looking around. Also looking at the Honda Crosstour. It's ugly, but we kinda like it. Haven't looked at the Escape yet, but probably will. I injured my neck recently and have not really been able to drive much, so visiting the dealers is tough. But we will have to decide soon.

My wife and I keep remarking how much we love the Jeep. Really, nothing else compares and that's the problem.

Hope things continue well for you!
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Re: And so it continues...

Sorry to hear that you hurt your neck, that sucks!

When I though I had to pick another vehicle out, it came down to a 14 sport explorer or a 14 loaded acadia. At least by me, both dealerships we willing to move on price a lot, as they had 13's and 14's still on the lot.

I am just kind of hoping that I drive the jeep, and never have to talk to that dealership or Chrysler again, until it is time to turn in the vehicle. (except for when I bring it in for them to replace the interior they scratched up when fixing the computer modules.
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Whatever or wherever both you guys end up I hope it is easier from here on in!!
Thanks Willx. I think for me, as long as there are no other issue, I am staying in this Jeep.
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Re: And so it continues...

Marosenb and AMC 2002:
I am also in the middle of working with my regional rep and ISG for my 14 limited buyback.

Since you guys are the new resident buyback experts wanted to check in and see what kind of deal ISG made with you.
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I am also in the middle of working with my regional rep and ISG for my 14 limited buyback.

Since you guys are the new resident buyback experts wanted to check in and see what kind of deal ISG made with you.
In my case, I'm not sure ISG was involved. My lawyer dealt with Chrysler lawyers here in NY and they both came to a settlement because I didn't want to get into another Chrysler.
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For me, I did work with ISG. They made me two offers:

Option one, sticker price swap: They would credit me for the sticker price of the Jeep I had, I would pick out a new jeep, and pay sticker price. The difference in price would be paid out of my pocket immediately. (I suppose if I stepped down a model and went cheaper, i could have gotten the difference)

All the models locally available that had what I wanted, also came with additional stuff I was not willing to pay for, especially immediately, not financed.

When I told them that, they came up with option two: They would pay me back what I paid for the Jeep, pay off the bank, and I could start from scratch, but they wanted my agreement that I would get another Chrysler vehicle.
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I would have said maybe a Ford Edge is the good compromise between the GC and the Terrain, but nobody mentioned it interestingly enough. Not Ford fans here?
Yeah. Surprised no one has brought up the Explorer either. About the same size and price. The Limited w/ nav Wk2 has about the same option layout as the XLT Explorer w/ 202A package for about 1k less last I checked.
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Yeah. Surprised no one has brought up the Explorer either. About the same size and price. The Limited w/ nav Wk2 has about the same option layout as the XLT Explorer w/ 202A package for about 1k less last I checked.
Explorer is built on a very similar chassis/platform to the Acadia\Traverse. Neither platform is having good long term success. Sure they get some value credit from some magazines but they get all sloppy after 30,000 miles. No where near the chassis stiffness of a Durango or Jeep Grand Cherokee.
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