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Old 08-14-2013, 09:55 AM
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Yeah. Surprised no one has brought up the Explorer either. About the same size and price. The Limited w/ nav Wk2 has about the same option layout as the XLT Explorer w/ 202A package for about 1k less last I checked.
It is quite a bit bigger than the GC actually. In my case, the GC was as big as we wanted to go. It was I think .6 inches longer than our Acura TSX sportwagon if you can believe it, and had the exact same turning radius. But because it is four inches wider amd obviously a lot taller, you get all that extra space. I like the Explorer but it is just too big for us. Pretty sure we are going back to wagons in the TDI Jetta.

As for ISG, yes I have heard they want you to buy another Chrysler product. For that reason I don't think my lawyer went that route. Maybe I had a bit more leverage because I went through a lawyer.

My wife keeps saying how much she is going to miss the GC. Our fully equipped TDI is going to be relatively stripped in comparison. She said she was looking forward to driving it in the winter. Wondering if an AWD Crosstour would be a better choice than the TDI. Dunno.
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For me, I did work with ISG. They made me two offers:

Option one, sticker price swap: They would credit me for the sticker price of the Jeep I had, I would pick out a new jeep, and pay sticker price. The difference in price would be paid out of my pocket immediately. (I suppose if I stepped down a model and went cheaper, i could have gotten the difference)

All the models locally available that had what I wanted, also came with additional stuff I was not willing to pay for, especially immediately, not financed.

When I told them that, they came up with option two: They would pay me back what I paid for the Jeep, pay off the bank, and I could start from scratch, but they wanted my agreement that I would get another Chrysler vehicle.

Thanks. Can't believe you had trouble with your second, I'm praying lightening won't strike the same place twice.

Those are the same two options I was given. I'm also having trouble finding one currently on a lot that has the options we want.

Hoping to order one, thus ensuring it's not an early build and the sticker doesn't include useless options.
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Old 08-14-2013, 10:23 AM
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It is built on the Taurus platform I believe. It is much more of a cross over in comparison to the wk2 but it does reflect that in ride comfort which is a nit more confortable. The downside is that it is not much off road/snow and has a max towing capacity of 5k. I also like the interior and especially the exterior styling of the jeep better. The upside is that if you don't tow or off-road, you can get it in the ecoboost I-4 turbo which will get you +10 torque on the wk2 and 28mpg on the highway. But like you said, it is about 2in wider and at least 6inches longer then the jeep--but you can get a 3rd row of seats if you have a plethora of children or booze addled friends.
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It is built on the Taurus platform I believe. It is much more of a cross over in comparison to the wk2 but it does reflect that in ride comfort which is a nit more comfortable. The downside is that it is not much off road/snow and has a max towing capacity of 5k. I also like the interior and especially the exterior styling of the jeep better. The upside is that if you don't tow or off-road, you can get it in the ecoboost I-4 turbo which will get you +10 torque on the wk2 and 28mpg on the highway. But like you said, it is about 2in wider and at least 6inches longer then the jeep--but you can get a 3rd row of seats if you have a plethora of children or booze addled friends.
Been so upset with jeep and their lack of customer service,

I test drove a explorer sport 4x4 w the 3.5L ecoboost...torque was incredible until the front air dam scraped leaving the dealers driveway.....set me straight and right back to my jeep, problems and all. I verified at the dealer, the Taurus and explorer share the same platform.
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:00 AM
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It is built on the Taurus platform I believe. It is much more of a cross over in comparison to the wk2 but it does reflect that in ride comfort which is a nit more confortable. The downside is that it is not much off road/snow and has a max towing capacity of 5k. I also like the interior and especially the exterior styling of the jeep better. The upside is that if you don't tow or off-road, you can get it in the ecoboost I-4 turbo which will get you +10 torque on the wk2 and 28mpg on the highway. But like you said, it is about 2in wider and at least 6inches longer then the jeep--but you can get a 3rd row of seats if you have a plethora of children or booze addled friends.
Before anyone claims anything about EcoBoost Fuel Economy, do your research. Hotly contested debate, read some F150 Forums.

Consumer Reports finds small turbo engines don't deliver on fuel economy claims
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Before anyone claims anything about EcoBoost Fuel Economy, do your research. Hotly contested debate, read some F150 Forums.

Consumer Reports finds small turbo engines don't deliver on fuel economy claims
It's Consumer Reports. What do you expect?

But seriously, turbos are for stomping on the skinny pedal. Once people feel that power, you think they will drive economically?
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:23 AM
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It's Consumer Reports. What do you expect?

But seriously, turbos are for stomping on the skinny pedal. Once people feel that power, you think they will drive economically?
I should clarify that I don't 100% take anyone at what they write. From my personal experience, driving the way I drive, the non-turbo V8s and V6s of comparable power have been better on fuel.

I found in the eco boost I had to drive more gentle than normal to get acceptable mileage. They are all lower displacement engines using turbos or twin turbos to make up for the loss in displacement. If you drive like grandma, they will achieve better fuel economy. Regular drivers are seeing worse mileage from what I have seen.
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Re: And so it continues...

I have a friend at work who brags about how they got rid of their Charger for a Ford with eco boost and how they can get up to 30-40+ MPG, but knowing how they drive, they will get the same fuel mileage since they will be using the boost always.
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I have a friend at work who brags about how they got rid of their Charger for a Ford with eco boost and how they can get up to 30-40+ MPG, but knowing how they drive, they will get the same fuel mileage since they will be using the boost always.
I am sure some people are getting decent mileage with the new EcoBoost but read the F150 forums and some of the other ones. The great majority of people have been caught off guard...

I honestly believe you will see Hybrid tech and multi-turbo fade a little in the coming years and diesel more prevalent. Even Ford has said they are ready to make moves and pull diesel drivetrains from Europe.
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Thanks. Can't believe you had trouble with your second, I'm praying lightening won't strike the same place twice.

Those are the same two options I was given. I'm also having trouble finding one currently on a lot that has the options we want.

Hoping to order one, thus ensuring it's not an early build and the sticker doesn't include useless options.
Good luck. I was going to order one and wait, but I was not willing to be down a car for that long
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It is quite a bit bigger than the GC actually. In my case, the GC was as big as we wanted to go. It was I think .6 inches longer than our Acura TSX sportwagon if you can believe it, and had the exact same turning radius. But because it is four inches wider amd obviously a lot taller, you get all that extra space. I like the Explorer but it is just too big for us. Pretty sure we are going back to wagons in the TDI Jetta.

As for ISG, yes I have heard they want you to buy another Chrysler product. For that reason I don't think my lawyer went that route. Maybe I had a bit more leverage because I went through a lawyer.

My wife keeps saying how much she is going to miss the GC. Our fully equipped TDI is going to be relatively stripped in comparison. She said she was looking forward to driving it in the winter. Wondering if an AWD Crosstour would be a better choice than the TDI. Dunno.
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AMC, It seems like your finding that nothing really compares to the GC. I have to ask why don't you just either keep yours or get another one? I understand you had problems and don't want to go through that again, but you could get another brand and have problems with that. Its always possible.
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I don't want to speak for AMC but I can relate to his position.... sometimes your second best option is better for the piece of mind.

No different than the engine decisions everyone argues about... it is whatever is best for the individual's personal tastes, and because of personal experiences the big picture changed a little.



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AMC, It seems like your finding that nothing really compares to the GC. I have to ask why don't you just either keep yours or get another one? I understand you had problems and don't want to go through that again, but you could get another brand and have problems with that. Its always possible.
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