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Old 11-10-2013, 10:54 PM
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Drove a Buick Enclave w/center row bench for 6 yrs. It would hold 8 adults with relative comfort
I like the Enclave a lot, but my wife won't drive anything that doesn't have keyless entry and start, and none of those vehicles have it...for some reason...

You're right, they also have a great third row.

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Its a lot to give up going to a CVT, I don't think it can really compare to the jeeps 8 speed.
It's not that bad for a CVT, we had a CVT in the Prius and I've driven my cousins Patriot with the CVT a bunch of times, much better than either of those. In sport it actually mimics the shift points of a normal tranny pretty well.

Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather have an Overland but on top of having more adaptable seating, this should be reliable, and even if it's not they will have loaners and pickup drop off service, etc.
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I like the Enclave a lot, but my wife won't drive anything that doesn't have keyless entry and start, and none of those vehicles have it...for some reason...

You're right, they also have a great third row.



It's not that bad for a CVT, we had a CVT in the Prius and I've driven my cousins Patriot with the CVT a bunch of times, much better than either of those. In sport it actually mimics the shift points of a normal tranny pretty well.

Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather have an Overland but on top of having more adaptable seating, this should be reliable, and even if it's not they will have loaners and pickup drop off service, etc.
If you would much rather have an Overland why is that not the way you are going? I have seen those Q80's they kind of remind me of the Jeep Commander for some reason, but with the little more curves to it.
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Old 11-11-2013, 12:22 AM
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We still may, we've decided not to do anything right now, going to revisit it in 6 months.

Reasons why we would not get another Jeep:

1. Our experience dealing with the issues on our Jeep. We've had so many little problems, and Jeep service is so poor and it's such a hassle dealing with getting them addressed, we don't know if we can bring ourselves to buy another one and potentially go through it again, or potentially have worse problems as others here have had.

2. This next vehicle will likely be used to haul a kid around at some point. The Jeep is not a great kid hauler, car seat is tight in the back, no third row, etc.
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Alright guys, I need your input. At 3000 miles my 2014 JGC Overland's 5.7L HEMI engine was completely ruined (they explained the cause to me but I did not understand, but basically everything was shot) and the shop is replacing it under warranty. I have had no experience with engine replacements in the past, but I find it hard to believe that I will have no future issues or take a hit on resale value after replacing such a major component. I might try to get it replaced, but again have no experience doing so. I guess my questions are:

1. Do you think that everything will be perfectly fine after the engine is replaced?
2. Will I take a hit on resale value?
3. Would you try to do the same thing if you were in my shoes, and do you think I have a case?

Thanks for your input.
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Ride's been alright. still quirky, and I got that recall notice on it, but i'd rather deal with my instrument cluster going black than the previous issues I have had.
Despite selling our vehicle back to Chrysler, we just got the recall notice. I read it aloud to my wife and she just laughed, since the card described 50% of our issues and had they just tightened that alternator ground when we left the dealership, who knows if we'd still be driving a Jeep? Amazing how one little thing can fry everything else.

Anyway, glad to hear things are relatively uneventful for you and your Jeep! May it stay that way, and have a great Thanksgiving, all! Cheers!
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Old 11-26-2013, 12:55 PM
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1. Do you think that everything will be perfectly fine after the engine is replaced?
2. Will I take a hit on resale value?
3. Would you try to do the same thing if you were in my shoes, and do you think I have a case?
1) Possibly? Probably? If that's the only issue you had.
2) Possibly? Probably? Carfax reports can tell you quite a bit about what happened to your car these days, particularly when dealers report all the details of each visit. I know when I was buying my Wrangler, I saw a lot of reports with little "clues" in them as to what issues people were having. Seeing "rear differential serviced" several times in a row, for instance, or "transmission service" a couple times. I don't know what the dealers put in for an engine replacement, but I'd find out exactly how that is likely to show up in a Carfax report before you get it done.
3) How long will it take to replace your engine? Unless you've had other issues with your Jeep, I wouldn't guess you have much of a case unless you have an absolutely stellar dealer. Chrysler will just view this as "fixable under warranty -- why are you complaining?" At least that's what they told me -- right up until they were forced to buy it back by law.
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3rd Row seating

Just something to think about. In many vehicles that third row seat is in the crush zone. Do you really want to put your kids or family back there!
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Old 11-26-2013, 01:07 PM
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1) Possibly? Probably? If that's the only issue you had.
2) Possibly? Probably? Carfax reports can tell you quite a bit about what happened to your car these days, particularly when dealers report all the details of each visit. I know when I was buying my Wrangler, I saw a lot of reports with little "clues" in them as to what issues people were having. Seeing "rear differential serviced" several times in a row, for instance, or "transmission service" a couple times. I don't know what the dealers put in for an engine replacement, but I'd find out exactly how that is likely to show up in a Carfax report before you get it done.
3) How long will it take to replace your engine? Unless you've had other issues with your Jeep, I wouldn't guess you have much of a case unless you have an absolutely stellar dealer. Chrysler will just view this as "fixable under warranty -- why are you complaining?" At least that's what they told me -- right up until they were forced to buy it back by law.
The engine replacement is supposed to take 2 weeks, and some dealer in the middle of nowhere is doing the swap because Chrysler would not tow it back to the dealer I bought it from. As for having a "stellar dealer", I would say my dealer qualifies. Koons is one of the top 3 volume-selling dealers in the world, so I would bet that Chrysler would be fairly willing to listen to them. Also, I've met the owner golfing a few times and have had some good discussions with him (seems like a nice and smart guy, by the way), and I think there is a very good chance that he would fight on my behalf against Chrysler, if necessary.
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Alright guys, I need your input. At 3000 miles my 2014 JGC Overland's 5.7L HEMI engine was completely ruined (they explained the cause to me but I did not understand, but basically everything was shot) and the shop is replacing it under warranty. I have had no experience with engine replacements in the past, but I find it hard to believe that I will have no future issues or take a hit on resale value after replacing such a major component. I might try to get it replaced, but again have no experience doing so. I guess my questions are:

1. Do you think that everything will be perfectly fine after the engine is replaced?
2. Will I take a hit on resale value?
3. Would you try to do the same thing if you were in my shoes, and do you think I have a case?

Thanks for your input.
Would be interested in knowing what the cause was (probably will be on your paperwork when all done)... sounds like something was amiss from the factory it was a ticking time bomb.

1. I personally wouldn't worry too much about a factory new replacement, I would be wary of them doing a rebuild or a reman motor.
2. I don't think it will hurt resale personally. With only 3k on it the replacement will be a thing of the past at 36k, 50k, 100k when you go to sell it. The 2009 Subaru WRXs had major losing engines with as little as 500mi - I think the issue was a bad batch of connecting rods if I remember, either way, it doesn't appear it has hurt their resale value in the long run and that was a known issue.
3. I personally would just demand that it be a factory new motor. The hemi is in a ton of vehicles and has a pretty good track record, it shouldn't take too long to get one. If the vehicles been good so far I wouldn't sweat it.
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2. I don't think it will hurt resale personally. With only 3k on it the replacement will be a thing of the past at 36k, 50k, 100k when you go to sell it. The 2009 Subaru WRXs had major losing engines with as little as 500mi - I think the issue was a bad batch of connecting rods if I remember, either way, it doesn't appear it has hurt their resale value in the long run and that was a known issue.
The subaru motor issues started in 2008, and it was because of ringlands breaking.

As for a new motor replacement in a new 2014, I personally would not trust that who ever is performing the work does a 100% perfect job, I especially wouldn't trust a re-built engine. Trade it in for something else as soon as the replacement gets installed.
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The subaru motor issues started in 2008, and it was because of ringlands breaking.
This is what I was referring to, 2009 model year (although 2008 builds) and it became a big hoopla (and I stand corrected, bearing issue): 2009 Impreza WRX motor issues - NASIOC

I am aware of the challenges with other model years as well.
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Alright guys, I need your input. At 3000 miles my 2014 JGC Overland's 5.7L HEMI engine was completely ruined (they explained the cause to me but I did not understand, but basically everything was shot) and the shop is replacing it under warranty. I have had no experience with engine replacements in the past, but I find it hard to believe that I will have no future issues or take a hit on resale value after replacing such a major component. I might try to get it replaced, but again have no experience doing so. I guess my questions are:

1. Do you think that everything will be perfectly fine after the engine is replaced?
2. Will I take a hit on resale value?
3. Would you try to do the same thing if you were in my shoes, and do you think I have a case?

Thanks for your input.
Others have asked, but out of curiosity let us know what the cause of the failure was (when you get the paperwork or a chance).

I see from your profile that you have the 5.7. I wouldn't necessarily think a replacement won't "fit" or "feel" the same, especially since at your low mileage they will likely do a complete long block assembly, or even potentially a line pull, especially if you push for that. Engine swap out on these vehicles is actually fairly straightforward as they're pretty modular in nature. It basically comes down to supporting the transmission, unbolting the engine from the transmission case and torque converter, disconnecting wiring harnesses, coolant and cooler lines, unbolting from the mounts, and lifting the engine out, then doing the reverse. It'll come down to the technicians care and attention more than anything else.

Resale value wise...it probably won't be as big of a hit as you're concerned unless you're planning on selling it in the next year. Even then I haven't seen an engine replacement hit resale that much, if at all. Remember, you're getting a new engine which means the clock starts over on that component. You'd have a bigger resale issue if the engine type had a big history of failures, not a specific engine, and the 5.7 isn't a huge problem child these days.

I'd say let them do the replacement, then drive it a bit and see if anything is amiss. Remember to go through a bit of a break-in cycle again with the new one. If you're not satisfied with the repair, then start investigating or pursuing other options. As it stands right now you won't have any recourse legally from this alone, and although your dealership GM might argue your case it's going to be rare to get a replacement without continuing issues or long (a month at least) periods of down time. It of course couldn't hurt to ASK...
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