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Yes they do.

Keyless Go is standard on even the E package Laredo 4x2. You can indeed remove the button, but why?
Techno,

In the process of trying to start his truck, after the button failed to work, he removed it and tried the fob as a key.

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Old 01-20-2011, 11:27 AM
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So you can insert the key fob in and start the Jeep!!!There are other threads about this as well as a description in the owners manual.
I am aware of this. The contention was that the button was standard, not that it wasn't removable.

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In the process of trying to start his truck, after the button failed to work, he removed it and tried the fob as a key.

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Wow, I must be one easy going dude.

There is nothing, short of maybe f*cking my wife, that my Jeep could do to get me this angry.

Good luck my friend.

I became frustrated simply because this could have happened to my pregnant wife away from home, since we both travel a good deal. My wife is an unlucky one being that she gets very sick due to her pregnancy, even beyond morning sickness. She did and does see a doctor for those who would suggest it, and everything is still good for those who care.

Other than that, I understand things like this happen. I'm an easy going guy as well, and I am not bothered by very much. I still love the jeep and can't wait to get it back.
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Old 01-20-2011, 12:56 PM
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Hmmm....the convenience of passive ignition versus the potential for no-start issues. I guess having a conventional key and ignition switch has its benefits.

As much as I love technology, it can add complexity and the potential for things to go wrong. Example--rebooting the WIN module? Seriously? I didn't know that there were bootable (in the conventional sense) modules in any Jeep.
LOL, nope, we should go back to mechanical linkages all around, no more electronics. Cap and rotor, where are you? Carburator (sp?), where did you go?

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Hey at least the dealer is being helpful and it did happen at your house. Be thankful for those things but other than that ... I'd be pretty ticked off too if that happened to my new car like that ... eh that's why Crhyco sucks
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LOL, nope, we should go back to mechanical linkages all around, no more electronics. Cap and rotor, where are you? Carburator (sp?), where did you go?

Like I said, I love technology. You can keep the cap and rotor, carbs, and spark plug wires. But if you want keyless ignition, make sure it works.
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LOL, nope, we should go back to mechanical linkages all around, no more electronics. Cap and rotor, where are you? Carburator (sp?), where did you go?

Wish cars were all like that, forget the regular key ignition lets go back to cranking the bitch from the front and going, no electronics what so ever
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People may get a good laugh out of the technology jokes, but there are some valid points here.

Certain systems should not be "converted" to all electronic lightly and without serious consideration.

What if you were out in the mountains or in some severe conditions (all places Jeeps tend to be) and you had this problem. It's not just having the problem that gets to me, because all mechanical and electronic parts are prone to fail, but something as critical (and generally easy to manage) as putting your key in the ignition and turning it should either be left alone, or only released to the public when bullet-proofed.

Rebooting the "WIN" or whatever? C'mon? Maybe whoever designed the system could have built in some fault tolerance or error handling to keep you from being stranded in such mundane circumstances as a "reboot required". *At least make the failsafe work*, like the FOB or REAL key in an "all else fails" scenario.

None of us would be laughing if they found 3 frozen bodies at some camp site with no cell reception because the "WIN" unit didn't get rebooted. It's not just the price of progress, its the responsibility in the engineering as well.

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I became frustrated simply because this could have happened to my pregnant wife away from home, since we both travel a good deal. My wife is an unlucky one being that she gets very sick due to her pregnancy, even beyond morning sickness. She did and does see a doctor for those who would suggest it, and everything is still good for those who care.
I fully understand- if it's just me, it's an annoyance. Happens to the wife, it's real trouble.
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People may get a good laugh out of the technology jokes, but there are some valid points here.

Certain systems should not be "converted" to all electronic lightly and without serious consideration.

What if you were out in the mountains or in some severe conditions (all places Jeeps tend to be) and you had this problem. It's not just having the problem that gets to me, because all mechanical and electronic parts are prone to fail, but something as critical (and generally easy to manage) as putting your key in the ignition and turning it should either be left alone, or only released to the public when bullet-proofed.

Rebooting the "WIN" or whatever? C'mon? Maybe whoever designed the system could have built in some fault tolerance or error handling to keep you from being stranded in such mundane circumstances as a "reboot required". *At least make the failsafe work*, like the FOB or REAL key in an "all else fails" scenario.

None of us would be laughing if they found 3 frozen bodies at some camp site with no cell reception because the "WIN" unit didn't get rebooted. It's not just the price of progress, its the responsibility in the engineering as well.

-Ryan
100% agreed. Technology is great when it works. When it fail, you'll be cursing like the guy who created this thread.

And of course anything can fail, but the more complex it is, the more potential for failure, all else equal.
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Yes they do.

Keyless Go is standard on even the E package Laredo 4x2. You can indeed remove the button, but why?
Huh. Didn't know that. At my dealer I test drove one that did not have push button start...Why would they have removed the button? It was a new GC on the lot..salesman even said "some of these don't have push button".
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Huh. Didn't know that. At my dealer I test drove one that did not have push button start...Why would they have removed the button? It was a new GC on the lot..salesman even said "some of these don't have push button".
Somebody said that a few of them had the button in the glove compartment. I don't think we've seen a reason why this is, but according to WK2Jeeps.com, Keyless Go is standard across the board. I'm not sure how much deleting that button would save anyway, since everything else is the same in that respect. No WK2 has a traditional key.
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