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Aux Lighting fail inspection

2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee failed inspection at dealership for Aux Lighting behind front grill.
The tech told me " any aux lighting on the exterior of vehicle is cause to fail in Pennsylvania"
I asked if I could disconnect and he said no.

What was even funnier is the dealership parts department has Aux Lighting for sale and installation.
Seems crazy to me. But I am not knowledgeable in this area so I am doing as he has told me and having it" completely removed from the vehicle." I will have it replaced after I get the sticker.
Sadly I have a maintainence contract and need to use the dealership or pay out of pocket. Live and learn.

Is this in fact true? No aux lighting In Pennsylvania?

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Old 07-20-2016, 03:34 PM
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Re: Aux Lighting fail inspection

I don't know if this helps:

067 Pa. Code *175.66.* Lighting and electrical systems.

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"(l) Auxiliary driving lamps and fog lamps. Auxiliary driving lamps and fog lamps may be installed on a passenger vehicle or light truck if the lamps comply with the following:

(1) Auxiliary driving lamps may not be substituted for headlamps. Auxiliary driving lamps may only be used with high headlamp beams.

(2) Fog lamps may not be substituted for headlamps.

(3) Auxiliary driving lamps and fog lamps shall be mounted on the front, spaced at least 20 inches apart from center to center and at height not more than 42 inches above level surface upon which the vehicle stands nor lower than the lowest chassis part. Rear fog lamps, if originally installed or offered as optional equipment, are acceptable.

(4) Auxiliary driving lamps and fog lamps shall be aimed when the vehicle and lamp assembly are in the straight ahead position with the beam not above horizontal centerline of lamp at 25 feet.

(5) A vehicle specified under this subchapter may have only one pair of approved auxiliary driving lamps and fog lamps.

(6) Auxiliary driving lamps and fog lamps may not be placed in front of a required lamp.

(7) Auxiliary driving lamps may not be used on snowplows as a substitute for headlamps obscured by blade. A substitute for headlamps used on the vehicle shall be complete, approved headlamps having both high and low beams."
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Re: Aux Lighting fail inspection

Thanks so I guess they are right, I did not know, they said that since the Grand Cherokee comes with Factory fog lights that no others could be added. This would result in more then one set (referencing piont 5 above) When I said I will have them disconnected
( power removed), bring it back and pay the reinspectionn fee I was told " no if they are on the car they must work or that is grounds to fail inspection. My assumption is because I did not buy them from them and have them Install they failed me. What gets me is I had some issues with the car early on and would bring dozens of donuts and coffee to get them to be nice and do my car first.
I really need to find a new dealer and just bite the bullet on the maintainence contract.
I mean seriously what has this place come to. All I am gonna do is remove and reinstall. What harm would it have been to just pass the car. They did last year. I guess I got lucky last year.
Apparently Redman Toll in PA is not modification friendly or it is luck of the draw on the tech mood that day.
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Thanks so I guess they are right, I did not know, they said that since the Grand Cherokee comes with Factory fog lights that no others could be added. This would result in more then one set (referencing piont 5 above) When I said I will have them disconnected
( power removed), bring it back and pay the reinspectionn fee I was told " no if they are on the car they must work or that is grounds to fail inspection. My assumption is because I did not buy them from them and have them Install they failed me. What gets me is I had some issues with the car early on and would bring dozens of donuts and coffee to get them to be nice and do my car first.
I really need to find a new dealer and just bite the bullet on the maintainence contract.
I mean seriously what has this place come to. All I am gonna do is remove and reinstall. What harm would it have been to just pass the car. They did last year. I guess I got lucky last year.
Apparently Redman Toll in PA is not modification friendly or it is luck of the draw on the tech mood that day.
That is a load of bs. Your dealer is lying. Anywhere you go, if your lights are covered at the time of inspection they should pass you. Your state police is the final authority for this. Find their number and give them a call. They can straighten it out. I would be floored if in a densely wooded and back road area like Pennsylvania you couldn't have off road lights.
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Re: Aux Lighting fail inspection

I figure it is caused by the fact that I did not buy or have them install. It really is a closed loop. No much I can do.
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I figure it is caused by the fact that I did not buy or have them install. It really is a closed loop. No much I can do.
But that's not a valid loophole. It's illegal if the state police says they are OK. Dealerships that do state inspections are state accredited. That tech that does the inspection gets his go ahead from the state. Where they were installed had nothing to do with it
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Re: Aux Lighting fail inspection

I agree but all I can do is move onto a new dealer. Nothing I can do.
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Re: Aux Lighting fail inspection

This statement from the statute reads to me that you can have AUX lights and Fog Lights. It does not state OR I guess its up to interpretation.

(5) A vehicle specified under this subchapter may have only one pair of approved auxiliary driving lamps and fog lamps.
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Re: Aux Lighting fail inspection

It is all very obvious was just looking to see if it was a general opinion or bias on my part.
I pulled the light off last night and left the mounts and wiring. It was simple. I will have the JGC re-inspected Monday and then remount the light bar. Not worth fighting over as I am sure the tech is just trying to make a living and doing as the dealership management directs him. Every service visit I make has recommendations to flush every liquid, change every filter and recommends I trade in the JGC as it is in High Demand. I think once they recommend I buy one of the $40 Jeep baseball caps.
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Re: Aux Lighting fail inspection

speeding is illegal too
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Re: Aux Lighting fail inspection

State troopers are not vehicle inspectors.

I recommend going to a different inspection station (doesnt have to be a dealership...usually best if it not a place that sells the crap they are required to inspect....conflict of interest).

Remember when dealing with ANY regulatory authority that it is ALWAYS ok to pleasantly ask to see the allegedly infringed regulation in writing so that you can better understand the requirements. And it is also ALWAYS ok to pleasantly ask to speak with the regulators supervisor.

That allows the regulator an opportunity to re-evaluate their own position and determin if it is worth putting up the fight.

ALWAYS remain patient and pleasant, and give them an avenue to escape from their position. Otherwise they have no option but to fight for their position.

Its kinda like verbal-judo....use your leverage to channel their power to your advantage.

Dont assume you are wrong just because someone says you are. but also be aware of the potential that you might be the one who cold be in error.

again....I recommend taking it elsewhere and dont lead the inspector with comments like "Well, this other guy said_____." Just hand em the keys and see what they say.
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State troopers are not vehicle inspectors.
Depends on the state. LOL... in WI, ask any trucker.

In any case it's most likely that your state troopers will enforce more state motor vehicle regulations than any other law enforcement department.

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