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Old 07-14-2011, 05:47 PM
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BWoody Sway Links - A new potential problem

UPDATE: The type of lube used is apparently the issue here - Rather than grease people should be using Copper or Aluminum Neverseize on the bushings. I will keep everyone posted on the durability once the replacements have been installed.

I know there is another post that touches on the hex bolt touching the boot at full lock here: Potential issue with BWoody Sway bars on 4wd but I am experiencing a different issue. I noticed that recently the Jeeps suspension did not feel quite as firm as it did post-install so I climbed underneath to do a quick visual inspection and this is what I found...

It looks like the rubber bushings are under too much stress and are failing in some locations. They are essentially being pancaked and the round washer is now cutting into the bushing in some spots.

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I called BWoody and spoke with someone there who did not seem overly surprised at what I was describing and said it normally happens due to lack of lubrication or undertightening. That's not the case here as they were lubed like crazy and are still as tight as they day they were put on. They have also only been on the Jeep for a few thousand miles. BWoody was actually closed so they asked that I call back tomorrow and talk to Mike. Hopefully he has a solution / explination as to what is going on here.

The slop in the bushings is now allowing the sway to come over far enough to touch the boot at full lock (Driver side only):



Any other owners with the links have anything similar going on??

Kinda bummed out at the moment as it looks like I am in for a removal and reinstall with either new bushings or the oem links. Guess I'll find out tomorrow.
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Re: BWoody Sway Links - A new potential problem

sorry thats going on......a larger washer might help but looks like you need a new bush pushed in first/

on my WK I used big washers that cover that face completely.

http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pro...?Product=AN970

i had that link saved as this is not uncommon with the wk ones/

i think some new bushes and some big washers and you are off to the races/

and just like you, mine were torqued downproperly, slathered in grease, etc. that may be another issue that causes same thing but ^^^^^^^ THAT ^^^^^^^ is just a hardware isssue/

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Old 07-15-2011, 04:27 PM
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Re: BWoody Sway Links - A new potential problem

I called BWoody back today but Mike was not there... spoke to someone else who without even seeing pictures is saying that it was due to them not being lubed properly and that I will be charged for the replacement bushings. This is absolute BS as they were lubed up like crazy just before install which was only a few months ago.

If they need to be re-lubed that often (ie. every 2 months??) there is no way they will be staying on the Jeep. This must be an extremely common issue with the sway bar links not only on the WK2 but many other Jeep platforms because both people I spoke to knew exactly what I was talking about before even giving details or providing pictures.

Funny thing about this whole ordeal is that the instructions I recieved directly from BWoody do not even mention lubing the bushings prior to install - I had found this info myself online. If the way they are lubed is so vital why not tell people that both on your website and in the instructions?? Pretty shady in my opinion. They also don't let you know that you need to drill out the rears - had to find that online myself as well.

I am less than impressed with the service I have received (Right from time of ordering) on the links and am starting to feel foolish for posting such a positive review and recommending these to others. Yea they make the Jeep feel great for two months... then they fall apart. Essentially now they are telling me I need to purchase new bushings, do a complete removal of the links, and then re-install once the new links are in. Sounds like fun

I am going to email the info to Mike to give them one last chance to make this right. If that does not happen the links are coming out and I will be going on a personal mission to let everyone on any Jeep forum and subforum I can find know about how well the links work... as $200 paper weights.

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Re: BWoody Sway Links - A new potential problem

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I called BWoody back today but Mike was not there... spoke to someone else who without even seeing pictures is saying that it was due to them not being lubed properly and that I will be charged for the replacement bushings. This is absolute BS as they were lubed up like crazy just before install which was only a few months ago.

If they need to be re-lubed that often (ie. every 2 months??) there is no way they will be staying on the Jeep. This must be an extremely common issue with the sway bar links not only on the WK2 but many other Jeep platforms because both people I spoke to knew exactly what I was talking about before even giving details or providing pictures.

Funny thing about this whole ordeal is that the instructions I recieved directly from BWoody do not even mention lubing the bushings prior to install - I had found this info myself online. If the way they are lubed is so vital why not tell people that both on your website and in the instructions?? Pretty shady in my opinion. They also don't let you know that you need to drill out the rears - had to find that online myself as well.

I am less than impressed with the service I have received (Right from time of ordering) on the links and am starting to feel foolish for posting such a positive review and recommending these to others. Yea they make the Jeep feel great for two months... then they fall apart. Essentially now they are telling me I need to purchase new bushings, do a complete removal of the links, and then re-install once the new links are in. Sounds like fun

I am going to email the info to Mike to give them one last chance to make this right. If that does not happen the links are coming out and I will be going on a personal mission to let everyone on any Jeep forum and subforum I can find know about how well the links work... as $200 paper weights.

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I questioned the value and design of these when they first came out and got bitch slapped by all the fanboys here.....

Oh well, maybe someone will develop some of these for those who think the swaybar links are really a problem.



BTW, these are for a BMW and they are less than half the price of the Bwoody.
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Re: BWoody Sway Links - A new potential problem

I'll be the first to admit they did make a very noticeable difference when first installed - far better than the oem links and would be worth the $200 if they didn't breakdown after less than 3 months on the road. BWoody is making a lot of profit on these at $200 which makes it even more frustrating that they are nickel and diming me on $3 replacement bushings That and the fact that the negative word of mouth will cost them far more than sending replacements.
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Re: BWoody Sway Links - A new potential problem

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on my WK I used big washers that cover that face completely.

http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pro...?Product=AN970
Thanks for this link btw... if they do get me a new set of bushings I'll prob end up going this route even thou they should have come with the links in the first place!
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Re: BWoody Sway Links - A new potential problem

Thanks for posting 604.

Anyone else have longer term experience with the BWoody links? I ordered them some time ago, but long story short, I have not yet installed them yet. Hardly worth it if I'm looking at a three month duty cycle.

No expert on this subject, so here's a question: Looking at my loose parts I found that the 'rubber' bushings at each end of each link are two separate pieces, that just push in from either side. But the two parts do not meet in the centre; there is a 6 to 10mm wide gap there. Is that normal? I would have thought the rubber would be full width of the steel bushing that the bolt passes through to allow for more even contact pressure.

If you need me to post a photo, let me know.
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Re: BWoody Sway Links - A new potential problem

Would it be possible to use another brand of poly bushing that goes all the way through and larger washers to help this problem? Mine looks like it might be headed the same way but it is not nearly that bad yet.
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Thanks for posting 604.

Anyone else have longer term experience with the BWoody links? I ordered them some time ago, but long story short, I have not yet installed them yet. Hardly worth it if I'm looking at a three month duty cycle.

No expert on this subject, so here's a question: Looking at my loose parts I found that the 'rubber' bushings at each end of each link are two separate pieces, that just push in from either side. But the two parts do not meet in the centre; there is a 6 to 10mm wide gap there. Is that normal?
If you need me to post a photo, let me know.
I don't own them myself, but I watched here as Mike rolled them out and guys ordered them, and I've strongly considered them. But is it possible the gap was designed in? It seems possible that the bushing would compress enough under tightening loads to actually make up that distance and meet. But I can also see that if you undertighten the nut the gap in the bushing could contribute faster to the slop action of the bolt, and enivitably bushing failure.

Can anyone else that has these sway links post of picture like picture #1 in this thread? If there are more than 5-6 threads showing on the end of the bolt like in that picture, then chances are the nut in picture #1 is undertightened at the moment that picture was taken (assuming everyone is using the same hardware).

Sorry to hear of your troubles 604. Hope you're able to patch her up soon.
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Re: BWoody Sway Links - A new potential problem

Wow this is pretty bad. Their sway bar end links are made just as cheaply as their intakes.
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Re: BWoody Sway Links - A new potential problem

There is nothing wrong with the design of the links if they are lubricated properly you will not have any problems. We suggest a non-washable synthetic marine grade grease or copper or aluminum never seize. No offence sixzerofour but the bushings in your picture are dry they show no grease on them at all, the grease you have used was not a non washable grease or the grease would definitly still be there. We had the same issues in the charger community and the same comments until they started posting pictures of dry bushings as well. Then others who actually lubricated them properly who have over 50k miles on theirs posted pictures greased with perfect bushings, once the community starting lubricating the bushings properly the issue went away.
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Re: BWoody Sway Links - A new potential problem

i have already put the offer out there for whoever wants a button head style bolt for more clearance i will send them to you free of charge (all you have to do is be the original purchser and email you name and address to me, if you guys want a larger washer i will send them out free as well. But i will say this if you do not properly lubricate these bushing it will tear up like yours did again. (which they are not cheap they are manufactured for us by energy suspension). As far as bushings go they are an expendable item just like a ball joint (no grease their gonna fail period!!) I can't control if you as the installer are going to use the proper lubrication, if anyone who wants a larger washer or bolts wants bushings as well I will sell them at cost which is $2.10 each, i normally charge $3.85 a piece. The reason i would charge for the bushings is I cannot control if they were properly lubricated. my email address is mike@bwoodyperformance.com
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