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In case you haven't noticed, I don't buy first year vehicles. But I'm glad you did.
At what point will you be able determine reliability? Certainly not the first year, by your statement. Two years? Three? Five?

...or do you just want to savor every reported problem to remind yourself of how brilliant you are in not buying a WK2?
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Old 01-24-2011, 04:50 PM
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At what point will you be able determine reliability? Certainly not the first year, by your statement. Two years? Three? Five?

...or do you just want to savor every reported problem to remind yourself of how brilliant you are in not buying a WK2?
It's not about determining reliability....it's more about giving the manufacturer time to find/discover/implement fixes for any potential issues that are discovered on early build vehicles. By the second model year, I'm sure that the majority of these little things are already discovered and known by the manufacturer. And if they're on the ball, they've already made changes to correct them before the vehicles even roll off the assembly line.

So I'd say that a second year vehicle at minimum is what I'd buy. Of course I could still have issues on a second year vehicle, but odds are good that I'd experience fewer issues.....and obviously the longer one waits, the better the vehicles should be, but who wants to wait until the last model year to buy a new vehicle? The problem with doing that is you'll end up driving the "old" model as soon as the new model hits the dealer lots. So if I do decide to buy a WK2, it will be a 2012 model, or possibly a 2013 model, depending on whether or not I need to replace my current SUV.
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Old 01-25-2011, 12:01 AM
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www.familyautos.com So far, they've treated me well. I got a fair deal on the Overland, the salesman wasn't pushy. Also, received 15% off accessories I've purchased and in spite of more labor to install (especially the rock rails) they honored the original estimate.

But! If I lived closer to Jeff D'Ambrosio in Downingtown, I may have chosen that dealer. But it was a bit too far to drive for routine service but I had a pleasant experience when I visited.
Thanks -- under an hour's drive for us, so a useful tip.
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Just an update for you all. So the Jeep is back in the dealership again today. There is a module under the passenger seat area and a relay in it has gone on a fritz. The relay is clicking very rapidly and sounds like someone typing a thousand words a minute on a computer keyboard. This may have left the car stranded somewhere if the relay would have completely failed. Thank god it held on for the trip over. Also, they are looking into replacing the torque converter as the jeep is shuddering really bad now. If I decelerate from 60 MPH the truck bucks all the way down to 30MPH.

7500 Miles on the ODO now.......
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Kgrencer, so sorry to hear of your problems. As for buying the first year, I have bought 3 models in their first year-'73 olds cutlass, '81 olds cutlass, and '03 mitsubishi outlander. The first cutlass was not bad. The second was. I filled out a survey for olds and told them all that had been wrong with my vehicle and I never heard from them again. I think the dealer could have done more. The day I picked up the '81 and was driving home, I discovered it had no horn! That should not have been and that was just the beginning. The Outlander was terrific! It was our second vehicle and not only was it the first year, it was the first model year it was ever made! My brother told me I was nuts to buy it. Guess who wanted it when I gave it away??? He loves it! It was an awsome vehicle for me. In the nearly 8years I owned it, I had no real problems. Just routine maintenance. He is also warning me again about the new '11 Overland I just ordered. We will have to see on that one. Kgrencer, keep us posted. I wish you the best!
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Ok, so I just got an update from the dealership. Apparently the "relay" clicking under the seat was actually the battery cable that came loose from the post and was arcing. They now say they are not able to reproduce the shudder. Do you all think that could have potentially been causing all the shudder/bucking??? If the battery was arcing, and relays were losing connection because of it, maybe the injectors etc were losing power? The dealership says there is an internal bulletin for this issue and that is why they looked there??

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do you guys think that could be the source of those of us that are having shudders?!?!?
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loose, dirty, bad cables/connections would absolutely casue all kinds of problems. The WK guys know this. The WK was/is really touchy with its cables/connections. Any corrosion etc. on the connections causes all sorts of problems.
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Ok, so I just got an update from the dealership. Apparently the "relay" clicking under the seat was actually the battery cable that came loose from the post and was arcing. They now say they are not able to reproduce the shudder. Do you all think that could have potentially been causing all the shudder/bucking??? If the battery was arcing, and relays were losing connection because of it, maybe the injectors etc were losing power? The dealership says there is an internal bulletin for this issue and that is why they looked there??

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VERY interesting..., and +1 what Scott said.

hope that solves all your problems!
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any more updates?
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