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Re: Chrysler Extended Warranty Prices

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Now it is good they have the exclusionary part of "all parts are covered except", but when they list what is covered......they do have an out if they deem they do not want to replace the air bags later.

Keep in mind they will need replacing every 30,000-50,000 miles as they rubber starts to crack and they develop leaks.

I think not! I have been around commercial vehicles using airbags/air springs for over 20 years. In this time I have seen the bags have a service life of over 1,000,000 miles regularly. The only thing I have ever seen cause a failure was if somethig was rubbing against the bag and actually rubbed a hole through it after many miles. also if alot of grit stays in the cracks from not pressure washing occasionally it becomes an abrasive which can rub a hole.

Telling people they will need new bags every 30k is nothing more than an uneducated scare tactic. Study air suspension systems commercially in use before making such blind statements please!
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Re: Chrysler Extended Warranty Prices

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Must be a different coverage sheet than what I can see online. The link on what is covered only states rear shocks and nothing for any air suspension systems. Where are you seeing these components are covered?

http://www.jeep.com/en/service_contr...les/index.html

Here is what I am reading.
http://www.chryslerwarrantys.com/maximum_care.cfm
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I think not! I have been around commercial vehicles using airbags/air springs for over 20 years. In this time I have seen the bags have a service life of over 1,000,000 miles regularly. The only thing I have ever seen cause a failure was if somethig was rubbing against the bag and actually rubbed a hole through it after many miles. also if alot of grit stays in the cracks from not pressure washing occasionally it becomes an abrasive which can rub a hole.

Telling people they will need new bags every 30k is nothing more than an uneducated scare tactic. Study air suspension systems commercially in use before making such blind statements please!
Maybe for the commercial industry the bags could last that long. I would still doubt they could get a 1,000,000 miles.

From owning lots of Range Rovers and dealing with air suspensions for a long time. I can state the those bags don't last more than 30-50K miles depending on conditions. I highly doubt they are putting commercial systems in these trucks and that they would be much different than the land rover setups.

I am not knocking anyone from the QL suspension, just letting those know who have not dealt with the pains to check all the fine print and make sure before you buy.
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Re: Chrysler Extended Warranty Prices

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Must be a different coverage sheet than what I can see online. The link on what is covered only states rear shocks and nothing for any air suspension systems. Where are you seeing these components are covered?

http://www.jeep.com/en/service_contr...les/index.html
Ask your dealer to see a copy of the contract (I have). Maximum Care is exclusionary, and there is a very short list of non-covered components, and NO list of covered components.

Jeeps info is again, an illustration (though a stupid one).
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Re: Chrysler Extended Warranty Prices

Maximum Care is an exclusionary plan, often referred to as "Bumper-to-Bumper" and as such if it's not excluded, it's covered. If it's mechanical, it's covered!

So QL should be covered...but I like double checking maybe getting in writing!


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The warranty is fully refundable within 60 days. So if after reviewing the fine print, there's something you don't like, Chrysler will give you a full refund (as long as you haven't used it).
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Maybe for the commercial industry the bags could last that long. I would still doubt they could get a 1,000,000 miles.


I've had two Peterbuilts in the late 90's, both had 1.2 million on the original bags. I know this since I bought both new and maintained them. Also had 3 severe service class 8 trucks(dump trucks) with 500,000 each on factory bags. I got out of the construction contracting business in early 2000's and sold them all. The only problem on the severe service trucks was while hauling asphalt. If it got packed around them while loading the spreader and stayed it could melt a hole. These bags are constructed similar to a tire, with a woven material molded into the rubber. Wieghts in these applications meet or exceed 20k per axle which is 60K for a straight truck and law limits you to 80k with a semi in my part of the country. Although with special permits we would wiegh as much as 120k when hauling large excavators. Large trucks running coast to coast OTR will average 250,000 miles in a year with team drivers. Most terminal to terminal otr trucks average 100,000 per year. If air suspensions weren't this reliable they would not be viable in this market.

Maybe Land Rover just needs to take a few lessons from Paccar(Peterbuilt and kenworth),Freightliner, Hendrickson suspension or a few others. Also ridetech which was formerly known as air ride technologies has several test cars with sytems very similar to jeeps in the 80,000 mile range. These cars are subjected to some of the most grueling race and auto-x events in the country year round. Maybe they could help Land Rover out, it seems they are the ones with the problems.
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I've had two Peterbuilts in the late 90's, both had 1.2 million on the original bags. I know this since I bought both new and maintained them. Also had 3 severe service class 8 trucks(dump trucks) with 500,000 each on factory bags. I got out of the construction contracting business in early 2000's and sold them all. The only problem on the severe service trucks was while hauling asphalt. If it got packed around them while loading the spreader and stayed it could melt a hole. These bags are constructed similar to a tire, with a woven material molded into the rubber. Wieghts in these applications meet or exceed 20k per axle which is 60K for a straight truck and law limits you to 80k with a semi in my part of the country. Although with special permits we would wiegh as much as 120k when hauling large excavators. Large trucks running coast to coast OTR will average 250,000 miles in a year with team drivers. Most terminal to terminal otr trucks average 100,000 per year. If air suspensions weren't this reliable they would not be viable in this market.

Maybe Land Rover just needs to take a few lessons from Paccar(Peterbuilt and kenworth),Freightliner, Hendrickson suspension or a few others. Also ridetech which was formerly known as air ride technologies has several test cars with sytems very similar to jeeps in the 80,000 mile range. These cars are subjected to some of the most grueling race and auto-x events in the country year round. Maybe they could help Land Rover out, it seems they are the ones with the problems.

Oh I know LR has problems with their components. They need to fix the issue, but then again they haven't been able to in 15 years.

I guess we won't know until we find out who makes the springs for jeep and or how they hold up in time.
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Re: Chrysler Extended Warranty Prices

I drove a vw tuareg about 2 years ago. I am thinking they may use the same ql as the ride is very similar. Also the dial is almost identical. If this is the case, then we have over 5 years of history.
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Re: Chrysler Extended Warranty Prices

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Oh I know LR has problems with their components. They need to fix the issue, but then again they haven't been able to in 15 years.

I guess we won't know until we find out who makes the springs for jeep and or how they hold up in time.
The WK2 platform was designed while Daimler was still a large element in the process. Daimler is also the parent company of Freightliner trucks. I would venture to say that they derived a lot of engineering expertise from the commercial air ride sector. Since Chrysler is banking "heavily" on this vehicle to help make a comeback, it's also fair to say they would make every effort for a reliable system.

There are pictures posted in another thread here showing the suspension components. The rear air bags look identical to commercial units only with a smaller scale for packaging and GVWR requirements.
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Re: Chrysler Extended Warranty Prices

Then you still have to wonder why it was late availability on the QL system. If they have been planning for introduction since 2009 the air suspension should have been ready from the start with no quality control control set backs.

The touareg's have issues with their air springs as well going out. I don't think I have seen a mass produced personal vehicle that hasn't has mass issues with the air suspensions. I hope Jeep is the first mass produced model to break that trend. Then that would get some great PR :-D
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Re: Chrysler Extended Warranty Prices

I hate to hear about the Hitachi/Tokico link. The systems I'm used to dealing with have bags manufactured by either Goodyear or Firestone. Most of the air components are manufactured by Bendix on the large trucks and motorhomes. Are you certain this is the supplier for Jeep?
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