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Whomever said that the owners driving habits is "causing" the harsh shift symptom is inaccurate. The way you drive your vehicle will not cause the harsh 1-2 2-1 shift characteristic. The adaptive system learns your driving style and tries to stay in an optimum gear (out of the 8-9 gears available now) in order to maximize power and fuel economy. For example you can let someone else drive your vehicle for a week then u get back in a drive it and you could quite possibly feel a difference in how it drives or at what RPM it shifts. It won't cause it to shift harshly necessarily it just may shift at different times or values based on rpm and load. This system is very complex and continuously monitors throttle pressure, braking etc. I have seen software updates fix some, valve bodies fix some and ultimately complete transmissions fix some. But in the end they have all been fixed with one repair or the other. Cold symptoms specifically I have not heard of as of yet which is why some vehicles require different levels of repair and doing the same thing for every car with an issue won't fix them all.
We can chase our tails around all day on this and it still will come back to it being a software issue that Chrysler still hasn't figured out how to correct.

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Understand what two of the pedals would be for, but what would the third one be?
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Re: Class action lawsuit against Chrysler

It's not just the Jeep line that has this problem. It is across all Chrysler lines and models with 845RE transmission. Chrysler screwed themselves by having their "engineers" change the original design from ZF. The ZF is virtually bullet proof with rarely any issues......

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We can chase our tails around all day on this and it still will come back to it being a software issue that Chrysler still hasn't figured out how to correct.
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Re: Class action lawsuit against Chrysler

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You know that is what people say about the 9 speed in my 2014 Cherokee Limited. Yet I have never had a TSB/Flash done to it and it shifts perfectly.

I do believe people are having trouble with these software/computer controlled transmissions but I don't think the problems are inherent in the transmission but more so with the driver. I can't believe that quality control is so poor with these transmissions that one has problems and the next one down the line doesn't. Since they all run the same software and use the same parts the only difference has to be in the driver. I don't believe my perfect transmission was just the luck of the draw.
I think it has to do with the way I broke it in and my everyday driving habits. Someplace in this forum is a comment from a Service Manager. He said in his experience most of the people having problems with these transmissions have been playing around with the different modes. His best advice was that unless specific conditions call for it to put the transmission in auto and leave it there.
I have a 2014 v6 Cherokee Trailhawk with the 9 speed transmission, it's been in the shop 3 times, service tranny light at 6k miles, they replaced the valve body, got worse, they flashed it, no change, they set it to relearn, no change, then they replaced the transmission and the tcm. Aside from the service tranny light, shiftng from D to R felt like a 20 year of pickup tuck with bad u-joints. It clunked and rocked the whole vehicle. I'm now at 10k miles and it shifts great however my confidence in the vehicle is out the window. I bought it for its "best in class towing 4500lbs", well let's just say towing my under 2k bass boat with it sucks and I think the tranny can't handle it. Couple that with the other misc things that annoy me: 230 miles out of a full tank of gas, fuel door on passenger side (opposite of the boat), the wife telling me the passenger seat feels like she's riding in my old 07' Hyundai Tucson. I'm done with it. Of course 3 attempts and the problem is solved so no lemon law, my options drive it until it breaks again or trade it at 4 months old. I contacted Chrysler and they won't buy it back, I'm taking a huge loss on it, but they are giving me employee pricing on a new vehicle plus rebates so I'm waiting on my 2015 Overland Diesel/ORA II/tech to arrive at the dealer. I seriously hope this one does better. My previous ride was a 2102 Charger v6 wth the 8 speed zf tranny and in 50k miles all it ever went to the dealer for was an oil change and the 2012 was the first year for the 8 speed zf.

Ok I'll get off my soap box now. Kind of long winded for a first post.
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Old 01-21-2015, 08:17 PM
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Re: Class action lawsuit against Chrysler

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You know that is what people say about the 9 speed in my 2014 Cherokee Limited. Yet I have never had a TSB/Flash done to it and it shifts perfectly.

I do believe people are having trouble with these software/computer controlled transmissions but I don't think the problems are inherent in the transmission but more so with the driver. I can't believe that quality control is so poor with these transmissions that one has problems and the next one down the line doesn't. Since they all run the same software and use the same parts the only difference has to be in the driver. I don't believe my perfect transmission was just the luck of the draw.
I think it has to do with the way I broke it in and my everyday driving habits. Someplace in this forum is a comment from a Service Manager. He said in his experience most of the people having problems with these transmissions have been playing around with the different modes. His best advice was that unless specific conditions call for it to put the transmission in auto and leave it there.
I wish you were right but I'm almost 110% sure you're not.
Just what did Chrysler think when moving away from ZF supplied transmissions?
Love the Jeep but that software or whatever it is is undeniable a real disaster.
My favourite, tranny going from 8 to 3 and all hell breaks lose, no thank you.
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Old 01-21-2015, 09:34 PM
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Re: Class action lawsuit against Chrysler

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I have a 2014 v6 Cherokee Trailhawk with the 9 speed transmission, it's been in the shop 3 times, service tranny light at 6k miles, they replaced the valve body, got worse, they flashed it, no change, they set it to relearn, no change, then they replaced the transmission and the tcm. Aside from the service tranny light, shiftng from D to R felt like a 20 year of pickup tuck with bad u-joints. It clunked and rocked the whole vehicle. I'm now at 10k miles and it shifts great however my confidence in the vehicle is out the window. I bought it for its "best in class towing 4500lbs", well let's just say towing my under 2k bass boat with it sucks and I think the tranny can't handle it. Couple that with the other misc things that annoy me: 230 miles out of a full tank of gas, fuel door on passenger side (opposite of the boat), the wife telling me the passenger seat feels like she's riding in my old 07' Hyundai Tucson. I'm done with it. Of course 3 attempts and the problem is solved so no lemon law, my options drive it until it breaks again or trade it at 4 months old. I contacted Chrysler and they won't buy it back, I'm taking a huge loss on it, but they are giving me employee pricing on a new vehicle plus rebates so I'm waiting on my 2015 Overland Diesel/ORA II/tech to arrive at the dealer. I seriously hope this one does better. My previous ride was a 2102 Charger v6 wth the 8 speed zf tranny and in 50k miles all it ever went to the dealer for was an oil change and the 2012 was the first year for the 8 speed zf.

Ok I'll get off my soap box now. Kind of long winded for a first post.
Klinsmann74: One must admire Chrysler's sales skills and your boldness in taking a huge gamble :-) Just kidding, you'll like the Grand Cherokee Diesel, especially now that you're already accustomed to the Jeep brand
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Re: Class action lawsuit against Chrysler

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Klinsmann74: One must admire Chrysler's sales skills and your boldness in taking a huge gamble :-) Just kidding, you'll like the Grand Cherokee Diesel, especially now that you're already accustomed to the Jeep brand
Well the alternatives are 10k higher (Porsche, Mecedes, etc...) then add on top of that the loss and not getting the Chrysler discounts. It would cost an arm and a leg. I really did love the Charger and Chryslers interior design, the Charger was rock solid. I could get a Ladero or Limited for the price I paid for the loaded Cherokee Trailhawk and not spend the extra on a loaded Overland 4x4 Diesel, but go big or go home and some times you gotta double down. Now if the new one has issues I will never hear the end of I told you so's from the Mrs. At least I got them to throw in 6yr/100,000 warranty.
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Re: Class action lawsuit against Chrysler

I posted this in a different thread but it seems that it now fits in here too:

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2014 Limited
- Purchased Oct 2013
- Numerous visits to dealer in attempt to resolve steering wheel and vehicle vibration
- Wheel bearings, tires, rims, road force balance didn't help
- Repurchased in April 2014

2014 Overland
- Purchased April 2014
- Fine for about 3 months then steering wheel and vehicle vibration started
- 3 visits to dealer for balancing, road force balancing and bearings, some improvement but still exists from time to time
- (Most Recent Issue) Started Dec 2014, start car, shift to Reverse or Drive, car automatically shifts back into Park. Car was gone for 1 week first time before it was "resolved". Come again last week, issue came back again. Car was gone again for another week. Picked it up last night, all seemed well. Started it this morning, issue is back.

These cars are piles of shit. Is my opinion skewed because I got not 1 but 2 bad ones? Absolutely. I traded in a Ford Edge with absolutely no issue other than paint rust. I'm so sick of these damn issues it's not even funny. Nobody and I mean nobody should have to visit a service department 15 times in 1 year, 3 months and 10 days (not that I'm counting).

I can't wait to get Jeep #2 repurchased as well and get away from this nightmare of a manufacture.

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I guess you can add me to the list of people with transmission problems. I had these issues on my first car as well, but they ended up correcting it (eventually). This current car is just shifting baaaaaaad and rough. If this is truly "adaptive", then it really needs to pickup the learning curve, quickly.

I, like someone else stated, have absolutely no confidence in this car. I honestly feel like I paid the price of a new car but bought a used vehicle since it's in the shop all the damn time.

These cars are just no good. For those with one that works great, you should play the lottery more often and consider yourself lucky.

Not that Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge/Ram will ever notice the financial difference of care, but they have lost a customer for life.
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Re: Class action lawsuit against Chrysler

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I posted this in a different thread but it seems that it now fits in here too:

~*~*~*~*~*~*

2014 Limited
- Purchased Oct 2013
- Numerous visits to dealer in attempt to resolve steering wheel and vehicle vibration
- Wheel bearings, tires, rims, road force balance didn't help
- Repurchased in April 2014

2014 Overland
- Purchased April 2014
- Fine for about 3 months then steering wheel and vehicle vibration started
- 3 visits to dealer for balancing, road force balancing and bearings, some improvement but still exists from time to time
- (Most Recent Issue) Started Dec 2014, start car, shift to Reverse or Drive, car automatically shifts back into Park. Car was gone for 1 week first time before it was "resolved". Come again last week, issue came back again. Car was gone again for another week. Picked it up last night, all seemed well. Started it this morning, issue is back.

These cars are piles of shit. Is my opinion skewed because I got not 1 but 2 bad ones? Absolutely. I traded in a Ford Edge with absolutely no issue other than paint rust. I'm so sick of these damn issues it's not even funny. Nobody and I mean nobody should have to visit a service department 15 times in 1 year, 3 months and 10 days (not that I'm counting).

I can't wait to get Jeep #2 repurchased as well and get away from this nightmare of a manufacture.

~*~*~*~*~*~*

I guess you can add me to the list of people with transmission problems. I had these issues on my first car as well, but they ended up correcting it (eventually). This current car is just shifting baaaaaaad and rough. If this is truly "adaptive", then it really needs to pickup the learning curve, quickly.

I, like someone else stated, have absolutely no confidence in this car. I honestly feel like I paid the price of a new car but bought a used vehicle since it's in the shop all the damn time.

These cars are just no good. For those with one that works great, you should play the lottery more often and consider yourself lucky.

Not that Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge/Ram will ever notice the financial difference of care, but they have lost a customer for life.
Wow, you had your share of luck with yours! Horror story.
Doesn't look representative to me though to be honest.
My wife would never notice anything.
Probably us Jeep drivers are more technical by nature vs. Hyundai,
Kia... buyers, therefore we're finding all these darn issues with our vehicles?
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These cars are piles of shit. Is my opinion skewed because I got not 1 but 2 bad ones? Absolutely. I'm so sick of these damn issues it's not even funny. Nobody and I mean nobody should have to visit a service department 15 times in 1 year, 3 months and 10 days (not that I'm counting).
You sound just like I did when I bought my early build 2014 Limited in April of 2013. I got my first idiot light WHILE DRIVING OFF THE DEALERSHIP LOT! I had air bag module issues, rough shifting transmission issues, tire/wheel vibration issues, and electrical issues. After multiple trips to the dealership (who were of little help), I decided to just get rid of it.

Lucky for me I was offered a decent trade-in price for the Limited when stepping up to my present later build 2014 the Overland (at a different dealership of course), but I still lost some money of course. But even with all the issues I had with my Limited, I have to admit I fell in love with the WK2 Grand Cherokee because of it's smooth ride, the overall style of the vehicle, and all the tech & comfy features it had (even more so with the Overland).

Then at about 5,000 my heart was broken again, I started having rough 2 to 1 transmission downshifts which took multiple trips/reflashes at the dealership to correct. It's not 100% fixed, but darn close...then on New Years Eve the radiator sprang a leak...and I just had that replaced as well. Things are good at the moment, but the damage is done when it comes to my lack of confidence with the vehicles overall reliability. Yes the hurt is less having all the main issues corrected, and Chrysler rewarding me with free synthetic oil changes for 5 years, and a 5 yr/60,000 extended warranty with free rentals, but I will definitely be getting rid of my Overland by the time the warranty wears out.
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Re: Class action lawsuit against Chrysler

My 2006 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon is perfect. It has a CEL which is related to an oxygen sensor but I don't care (stupid hippy crap).

My 2010 Jeep Commander Limited 4X4 HEMI is also perfect...... BUT I was and still am furious as to how Chrysler handled the N23 fiasco. They finally fixed their awful programming of the FDCM which cured our 4-LO issues. It took them over a year to fix it and they did so very quietly. They released a TSB and didn't send any kind of notice even though the original N23 recall broke every single Commander's 4x4 4-low. They should be ashamed.

I see a very strong parallel between the N23 atrocity and the "adaptive transmissions" you guys are having problems with. It boils down to shoddy programming and a lack of accountability.
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Re: Class action lawsuit against Chrysler

Holy crapola! You mean the 8 speed is as bad as the 9 speed? I have been looking at Grand Cherokees after FCA finally admitted to me 3 months and 10 service appointments later that my Cherokee Trailhawk will never drive on the beach very far without overheating. They offered me a small discount on a different model but so far that amounts to me taking a $12,000 dollar beating and my Trailhawk is only 8 months old!
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