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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

They should have made the entire windshield heated like the LR's. It also worked great with dew and heavy fog.
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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

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Just another reason why you NEVER BUY a first model year of ANY CAR. EVER.
I don't think that this problem (and its not really a problem) is a 1st run car thing. But I do agree with you on 1st run models.
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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

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For me and apparently a few others that have chimed in recently, it is exactly as I have described.


Round and round we go. ostroveni, read back through the thread to where I explained how I deliberately cleared every bit of snow from the car before driving, started with a dry windshield and wipers that worked well, only to have them freeze up after a short period of driving with intermittent wiping. NHWK05, read back to where your suggestion was already made by someone, but it was dismissed as missing the point. Of course one could do that, but to do it one would have to disable the HVAC comfort program. Why have said program if it does not work? The point of the complaint is that the HVAC comfort program is less than optimal.
What temperature did you have? I had -8C today and there was ice on windshield, I did not clear it (I was still able to see), in 5-10 min all the ice has melted and I was using the wipers before and after, no issue ... I am not clear what issue you had ...

Also, the guys that constantly post that they won't buy a first year car. Most of the people here just did that and what you are saying is disrespectful... Issues happen in any type of car and buying a car is many times an emotional decision ... no disrespect intended.
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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

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I don't ever recall having a vehicle that had a defroster that could clear snow and ice from windshield and wipers. At least not in PA, upstate NY, New England, and CO. Is this really the objective?

If the rig has been outside for any time in snow and cold, the only real solution is first physically clearing the windshield and wipers of snow and ice, and then heating the windshield interior. We also either flip the wipers up off the glass, or lay down a cover if the vehicles are going to stay outside in the winter.
My suburban has remote start and during cold weather starts it turns on the windshield defroster, however it also benefits from the optional heated windshield washer element....which works great I might add. It actually heats up the fluid and then sprays it onto the windshield to help dethaw it. However there was a slight problem with it.....GM recalled every single vehicle installed with it b/c they were prone to catching on fire. BOOM!

I still have mine.

It works kinda like this...

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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

have you checked the defroster vents? Maybe they were installed wrong, upside down etc. I dont know....kinda grabbing at straws here since 25 isnt that cold and you seem to be the only one.
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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions


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I still have mine.

It works kinda like this...

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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

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Also, the guys that constantly post that they won't buy a first year car. Most of the people here just did that and what you are saying is disrespectful...
I won't buy a first year vehicle ever. That's not disrespectful, that's just the way I feel. I don't see anyone saying anything negative about the people who buy first year vehicles. It's obviously everyone's own choice and I think the people who do choose to buy first year vehicles are the pioneers and the beta testers, so everyone who buys later on should be grateful to them for helping to work out the inevitable issues that go along with a new model.
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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

Jp,

Have you talked to Jeep about this? Not sure what they could do but just curious.

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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

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What temperature did you have? I had -8C today and there was ice on windshield, I did not clear it (I was still able to see), in 5-10 min all the ice has melted and I was using the wipers before and after, no issue ... I am not clear what issue you had ...

Also, the guys that constantly post that they won't buy a first year car. Most of the people here just did that and what you are saying is disrespectful... Issues happen in any type of car and buying a car is many times an emotional decision ... no disrespect intended.
I think the issue OP had is when he was driving (after cleaning the windshield) during cold weather AND it was snowing or raining his windshield got covered with ice again.

How is saying that someone won't buy a first year car is disrespectful? They are entitled to their opinion (and I tend to agree with this opinion, even though I myself am a WK2 owner - purchased it with reservations only because my ZJ got totaled and didn't really like anything else much). This is the same as someone saying "I don't like Jeep, I like Mazda" is disrespectful.
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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

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I think the issue OP had is when he was driving (after cleaning the windshield) during cold weather AND it was snowing or raining his windshield got covered with ice again.
Correct, sort of - when it is about 25F and is still snowing after an accumulating snow fall such that the roads are slushy and there's a lot of road spray from other cars, that spray is light enough that I needn't wipe the windshield very often (it dries on the warm glass almost immediately), but when time does come to wipe it - like after a truck goes by in the other direction and sprays me - I find that the wipers have become frozen to the glass.

I haven't contacted Chrysler about it yet. I will. Especially now that others are experiencing the same issue.
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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

I doubt the WK2 is much different from the WK. And I seriously doubt there's a design flaw here.

Sorry I'm adding to a topic that's already gone on too long but there are 2 issues here:

1) the blades...that's been covered already

2) the washer fluid...some types are for summer use and will freeze on the windshield, heat or no heat. I got in real trouble with my XJ one year when I used the summer washer fluid without realizing the difference.

And of course when it's cold, make sure the blades and nozzles are free of ice before you launch. Basic common sense in a cold climate.
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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

Jpsmith, I'm not suggesting you don't have a problem with your wipers, nor am I discounting how serious impaired vision is for the driver.

However, my WK2 winter windshield and HVAC experience is the exact opposite of yours, and I do live and drive constantly in very extreme winter conditions. Our vehicles first and foremost need to be prepared to kick deep winter in the butt, anything otherwise is unacceptable. WK2 is our snowmobile. When snow falls deepest, we want to be out in it.

IME, calling the HVAC and defroster systems flawed is an overstatement at best and inaccurate at worst. Sure, it would be an improvement to have the wipers sit directly above the defroster vents, however, IME it is not needed.

Given the above first-hand winter WK2 driving experience, in my respectful opinion, your situation just might be caused by one of several possible scenarios:

- Your WK2 is a lemon. If so, my condolences and best wishes that Chryco provides a good solution.


- Operator Error and poor winter wiping technique. You’re doing it wrong. This and a similar thread have provided many good member suggestions to help with your challenges, but it appears that most of those simple yet effective tips go ignored.

- Completely understandable if you are frustrated and concerned about serious issues such as shudder, but the list of other minor grievances suggest vehicle hypochondria. Even if this is untrue, the perception of it, coupled with your tendency to rant, is going to keep drawing flames. It is questionable whether the vehicle or the owner requires the highest maintenance in this case.

Just sayin.
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