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Old 01-20-2011, 01:39 PM
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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

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It is questionable whether the vehicle or the owner requires the highest maintenance in this case.

Just sayin.
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Old 01-22-2011, 06:04 AM
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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

Maybe the easy solution for areas that have extreme cold and snow conditions would be to add an aftermarket heated washer fluid system and/or heated wiper blade system. Either of these system run about $130 each.
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Old 01-22-2011, 08:22 AM
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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

This thread is ridiculous. For about the 4th time this winter it's -18 C (0 deg F) here this morning. My Jeep has been sitting outside all night and I know the blades will work just fine when I get going in a few minutes....as they always do. I sure hope the Chryco engineers haven't dropped all their other R&D jobs on account of this thread.
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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

I can partially confirm OP findings. Today I got to my car (parked outside, temp about 24 F) and whole windshield was covered with ice (since the last snowfall a couple days ago). Wipers were frozen to the glass. I turned on windshield heater and after about 10-15 minutes almost all windshield was clean except the area right around the wipers and about an inch above - this area didn't show any effect that windshield heater was on.

I think what happens is obvious - the vent is not right near the bottom edge of the glass. Air seems to be blowing up and glass doesn't transmit the heat well enough for the area around the wipers to warm up.

The solution is really simple (not for the current owners of course) - change vent design so that it not only blows up but forward as well. Or just move vent a bit forward close to the glass edge.
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Old 01-23-2011, 09:32 AM
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WOW...24 degrees? Let us know when it gets cold there. It's minus 8 Fahrenheit here in Quebec. I don't like remote starters or idling in general- - just wasting gas which is very expensive in these parts...so I never before thought of using the heater to try to remove the ice from under the blades in their rest position. Don't you have a scraper for doing that?

If the rubber blade is sitting on rough ice it will hold that rough edge for quite a while and parts of the blade will not touch the glass...especially if it's not a more flexible winter blade. Up here we get lots of cold mornings and most folks just know from experience to get rid of all that ice at the very bottom of the glass before driving. Nobody would think of winter driving without a scraper.
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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

Get a Wrangler, take the top off, put the windshield down and grab a pair of goggles.

Wiper problems solved!
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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

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I think the issue OP had is when he was driving (after cleaning the windshield) during cold weather AND it was snowing or raining his windshield got covered with ice again.

How is saying that someone won't buy a first year car is disrespectful? They are entitled to their opinion (and I tend to agree with this opinion, even though I myself am a WK2 owner - purchased it with reservations only because my ZJ got totaled and didn't really like anything else much). This is the same as someone saying "I don't like Jeep, I like Mazda" is disrespectful.
It is disrespectful because:
1) most of the participants here bought a jeep. It is same as going on mazda forum and preaching jeep ... you all remember the ED..whatever name he had that was telling us how great Murano is on this forum ... How did you feel about that? How Ed... felt when he was applied a "correction" by a fellow member ...
2) repeating over and over. Everytime there is an issue, there is some one saying, I(smart) told you guys(stupid) that I would not buy a first year car ... Sometimes, in a thread related to an issue there are multiple occurences of "I won't buy a first year car ..."

We all agree that first year cars have a bigger probability to have issues, however all cars have issues and for a big car manufacturer first year issues should not be significant ... What I try to say is that if you are lucky to have an issue, you will have an issue first year or not ....
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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

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It is disrespectful because:
1) most of the participants here bought a jeep. It is same as going on mazda forum and preaching jeep ...
No, it's not the same at all. Not even close.

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2) repeating over and over. Everytime there is an issue, there is some one saying, I(smart) told you guys(stupid) that I would not buy a first year car ... Sometimes, in a thread related to an issue there are multiple occurences of "I won't buy a first year car ..."
I think your problem is in your head, not with anyone else. I don't see anybody calling anyone else stupid for buying a first year vehicle. I refuse to do it myself, but that's because of my own past experiences. More power to you (or anyone else) who decides to buy a first year vehicle. Like I said, you guys are pioneers and people who hold off buying should appreciate the pioneers who purchased early build vehicles.

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We all agree that first year cars have a bigger probability to have issues, however all cars have issues and for a big car manufacturer first year issues should not be significant ... What I try to say is that if you are lucky to have an issue, you will have an issue first year or not ....
You just contradicted yourself. You agree with a higher probability to have issues, but then you say you'll have issues whether or not your vehicle is first year or not. If the odds decrease if you buy a second year (or later) vehicle, then can't you see that some of those buyers will have fewer issues to deal with?
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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

jp did you even bother to buy new wipers? to see if it will resolve this world war 2 of an issue?
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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

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No, it's not the same at all. Not even close.



I think your problem is in your head, not with anyone else. I don't see anybody calling anyone else stupid for buying a first year vehicle. I refuse to do it myself, but that's because of my own past experiences. More power to you (or anyone else) who decides to buy a first year vehicle. Like I said, you guys are pioneers and people who hold off buying should appreciate the pioneers who purchased early build vehicles.



You just contradicted yourself. You agree with a higher probability to have issues, but then you say you'll have issues whether or not your vehicle is first year or not. If the odds decrease if you buy a second year (or later) vehicle, then can't you see that some of those buyers will have fewer issues to deal with?
Thanks for your compliments regarding my head. You should learn how to behave and understand ... whatever I waste my time here ...
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Re: Design Flaw - wipers freeze up when driving in cold, wet conditions

I wanted to wait for a snow day before posting here again. Today was snowy enough. I got about 3" over night at home and it continued to fall at the light-moderate pace of about 1/4 - 1/2" per hour during the drive in.

I put on a set of aftermarket blades, ones that tout their winter performance. I went with Rain-X Latitudes. They're a beam-type wiper with a graphite coated, soft rubber blade. The end result: they froze to the glass. Here's what I did to try to prevent it:

Since I knew some snow was coming last night, I lifted the wipers off the windshield and left them that way over night. This morning while the car was warming up, I cleared every bit of the fluffy white stuff off the car, paying extra attention to get it all from the recessed area where the wipers sit. When I was done the whole Jeep was dry and clear of snow. I went inside for four or five minutes, leaving the car running and the windshield defroster on full blast. When I came back out, the snow that was falling had melted on the windshield, run down to the wipers, and froze, leaving the wipers completely stuck to the windshield, with an ice dam about 1/4" thick and 1.5" wide above the wipers. I gently chipped away at it, lifted the wipers up, scraped every bit of ice from the glass and swept it away with a brush. I then removed every fleck of ice from the wiper blades with my bare fingers, banged the wipers on the glass a few times, and test-wiped to make sure they were wiping clearly. They were. So I went on my way. 10 minutes later, the blades were frozen to the glass and I had to pull over.

To those of you interested in constructive conversation, tell me - how am I "doing it wrong?" I'm seriously asking. Is there anything else I can do to ensure my wipers don't freeze to the glass? I think I'm doing everything I can to try to prevent this, yet it still happens. What's more, this is the 9th car I've driven regularly in the nearly 20 years that I've been driving, and the first where I've ever had a problem with the windshield wipers.

Concerning washer fluid, I'm using the orange -25F stuff, not the blue summer stuff. The problem is that by the first time I need to spray the salt, the wipers have already re-frozen to the glass.
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