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Old 09-04-2010, 07:50 PM
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Re: Did Shudder TSB fix a problem?

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Yea right...That's why there is already a problem with shudder and the dashboard covering separating from the plastic windshield vent ...and let's not mention that many options and colors were delayed and half of you who have already ordered don't really know what equipment your vehicle will arrive with...just read this forum and there is no doubt that Jeep/Chrysler/Fiat is still FUBAR. Don't drink the kool aid from those on this site who have a financial interest in the success of this company.

LOL....who has financial interest in the success of this company? This is a Jeep enthusiast site with NO....0 connections to ChryCo or Fiat. For Jeepers by Jeepers. The owners group of this site makes $0 from this site and in fact....are in the red with this site! So...I dont know what kind of misconstrued perceptions you have about this forum or its members...but they are wrong!
I hate to say it...but those that dont know what equipment their vehicle is coming with...either didnt pay attention when ordering or didnt care.
There will be slight problems, tsb's with EVERY new vehicle on the market...from Kia to Ferrari. Thats just a fact. All machines built by humans will not be perfect no matter the testing they are put through. jeep couldve held this vehicle back forever and not solved every little problem that may arise. Its just a fact of life....nothing perfect will ever be manufactured by mankind.
Enjoy the wealth of info here! We are doing the absolute best we can! But I will say this....your opinion about the vehicle is more than welcome! Not everyone is gonna like it...its just the way it is. But dont make unsubstaniated claims about forum members or their reason for being here.
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Old 09-04-2010, 07:55 PM
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Re: Did Shudder TSB fix a problem?

Maybe he was referring to me? I have a financial interest in Chrysler.
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Re: Did Shudder TSB fix a problem?

Since I have no financial stake whatsoever in Chrysler, or Fiat, and frankly wish Unions would disappear all together (no offense to any line guys here. .. . just saying). Let me say EASY ED that you have no idea what you are talking about. I have had no problems and have been putting my limited through its paces. Have you driven this vehicle you say was rushed? Have you compared it to other vehicles out there and test drove those? Have you done your research about the testing/eval process that was implemented? I would guess the answer to all of these is no. So before you jump in and talk trash about the wk2 how about proving some credibility and backing up your statements?

I would be more than happy to back mine up:

1989 Jeep Cherokee Limited
2002 Jeep Grand Cherokee
2006 Jeep Commander
2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited

Never had a problem, do all my own maintenance, drive a TON of other vehicles in my line of work, and do not drive my vehicles lightly either. I did my research on the wk2 and other similar vehicles. This was far from rushed.
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Re: Did Shudder TSB fix a problem?

No offense taken. I am a UAW member. Never said I was a UAW fan.
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Re: Did Shudder TSB fix a problem?

I guess...but if your trying to persuade the small amount of potential 2011 owners that visit this site youre not gonna make very much of a difference....LOL
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Re: Did Shudder TSB fix a problem?

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Would you rather be in a world with no warranties? That's how it used to be back in the day. If your vehicle broke, even with 250 miles on it, you fixed it out of your own pocket.
When was it like that - without warranties?
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Re: Did Shudder TSB fix a problem?

Can we create thread about Ed problems ... ? we should leave the garbage out of these threads where information and discussions are about a certain topic ...
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When was it like that - without warranties?
In the early-mid 1800's. At the time, wagon trains were built by non-union labor, but the profit margins were so slim that even using cheaper non-union immigrant workers didn't allow enough profit to compensate for after-sale repairs, especially for more complicated major repairs.

Most blacksmith shops warrantied their wagons for only 5 sundowns, and extended warranties were unheard of. Plus, without paved roads the wagons took a pretty good beating, not to mention the fact that many of the drivers, especially the younger ones, abused the hell out of their rigs by going at faster speeds that what the wagons were engineered for.

Wheel alignment was the biggest issue that wagon owners had to constantly contend with. Some of the pioneers even tried aftermarket wagon wheels as they thought they would get a better ride, but that seemed to magnify the issues. And forget taking you wagon train back to the dealer within the 5 sundown period if you had in any way modified it - anyone who had installed wood posts to raise the wagon ride height, for example, was immediately turned away (people at the saloons always recommended removing the posts if anyone were to need any wagon warranty work done).

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Dundes, Alan. "History of Early Warranties." World Book Encyclopedia. 1973 ed. pgs 323-331.
Faragher, John Mack. Women and Men on the Overland Trail. New Haven, Conn.: Yale University Press, 1979.
Walker, Henry P. The Wagonmasters: High Plains Freighting from the Earliest Days of the Santa Fe Trail to 1880. Norman: University of Oklahoma Press, 1966.
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^^^^^LOL....oh my
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Re: Did Shudder TSB fix a problem?

^^^hehe! Just so you know... Back in the days of cavemen their spears and clubs didn't come with any warranty either! But seriously guys if you have doubts about the vehicle don't buy it, or buy the extended warranty, or better yet do some freakin research rather than bashing the product which I think most people here will defend. You won't get very far doing that on these forums. On the other hand if you have valid squawks that you have found in a vehicle you drove or better yet purchase put them out there but don't create non-existent issues just because.
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C'mon, I was asking a serious question
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