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Old 10-24-2013, 02:26 AM
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Re: Does your fuel door sit flush?

actually I doubt machines can build a precise anything like an human can. Why does Ferrari still hand weld ALL welds? ALL WELDS! Why hand stitched leather? Why does bentley hand finish interior woods in their cars? Why are HIGH END luxury cars build by hand? Tune to the science channel and watch "how Its Madeream Cars" Most are built using very few machines.....some use robots and some use NONE! Why does a robot NOT do final inpsection?
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Re: Does your fuel door sit flush?

You may be right. You would just think that with a (good) machine, everything would be able to be measured exactly resulting in roughly the exact same result every time, and whenever something was "off" it would be quickly detected by that machine, or another one.

Especially when you see lots of other cars out there with near-perfect door/panel/trim fit and finish and alignment. Even economy cars from the 80s and 90s. And especially when going all the way back to the 2011MY people have complained about these fitment issues on the WK2 yet they still continue to exist years later.

(Don't get me wrong, I still love my WK2.)
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Re: Does your fuel door sit flush?

Just got off the phone with the dealer, he said there's nothing that can be done because it's all plastic.

He also claimed that they couldn't adjust the driver's side door to sit flush when closed because it would make it rub at the hinges; nor could they adjust the hatch so the taillights were aligned vertically, or pull out the front passenger door at the hinges (it sits in relative to the front fender), or "push in" the body panel where the two body panels meet at the tail lights.

Disappointing to say the least. I suppose I could push the issue even further but the dealer is pretty adamant so I'm probably going to get nowhere good and so I might have to take it up with Chrysler... if I want to go through the hassle, we'll see.
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Old 10-24-2013, 03:35 PM
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Re: Does your fuel door sit flush?

Sounds like your dealership doesn't have a body shop. May you can get Chrysler to have them send it out.


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Re: Does your fuel door sit flush?

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They would probably grab it in both hands and try to twist it.

Best let them do it in case it come off in their hands.


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Yeah, I didn't see any obvious adjust points easily done.
Is this nonflushness something to do with the unimpressive latch, or does it look more like the hinges are not aligned?
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Re: Does your fuel door sit flush?

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actually I doubt machines can build a precise anything like an human can. Why does Ferrari still hand weld ALL welds? ALL WELDS! Why hand stitched leather? Why does bentley hand finish interior woods in their cars? Why are HIGH END luxury cars build by hand? Tune to the science channel and watch "how Its Madeream Cars" Most are built using very few machines.....some use robots and some use NONE! Why does a robot NOT do final inpsection?
The Ferrari episode with the 599 is awesome...I think 3 machines?

Placing valve seats into head, body inspection(only after initial body assembly..something like 900 QA points that have to be within thousandths), and the paint machine.

All final QA is by the man in white gloves.
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Why does a robot NOT do final inpsection?
Ummm, because it is SMARTER than the human?
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Ummm, because it is SMARTER than the human?
I wouldn't say that...I would say more accurate maybe.
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Re: Does your fuel door sit flush?

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I wouldn't say that...I would say more accurate maybe.
Didn't somebody from JNAP point out awhile back that robots do many of the inspections on the line, but after a robot rejects something, human intervention can still send it on down the line?

That last part is the flaw in the system. Human nature will have some manager directing that they don't let too many get rejected, by easing the standards that were set higher up.

The difference in quality control comes down to 'in part, whether employees are encouraged to be critical, or turn a blind eye.


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Re: Does your fuel door sit flush?

Did Jeep change the fuel door on the 2014 model? I've got a 2012 GC Overland and the door and hinge are made from metal.

With regards to the doors/hatch alignment, I've noticed issues on many vehicles here in the UK. Some worse than others. My car isn't too bad, but one of the rear doors is a little bit proud so I tried to adjust it. So firstly I tried to adjust the striker and found that there is no adjustment. The two bolts go through the bodywork with holes the same size as the bolts, i.e. zero adjustment. So then I tried to adjust the door at the hinge end. I ended up removing all four nuts from the door studs. There's no practical adjustment. The upper hinge top stud hole is the same size as the stud. The upper hinge lower stud hole is a larger hole giving about +/- 2mm adjustment. The lower hinge upper stud hole is also a larger hole giving about +/- 2mm adjustment. However the lower hinge lower stud hole is a vertical slot (with about +/- 2mm adjustment), which given that the upper hinge upper stud hole has no adjustment meant that I couldn't adjust the door no matter how much I forced it in/out up/down. Other people on site have mentioned the bodyshop successfully adjusting the doors, but I cannot see how that was done unless they drilled out hinge stud holes.

I do love my Jeep, but the quality isn't brilliant. Ah well, there's more important things to worry about ...
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Re: Does your fuel door sit flush?

I think with all those issues related to body alignment I would find another dealer to take it too. My son's Overland has a gas door cover out of alignment and they said that he or someone must have tried to pry it open. He is going to another dealer in a few weeks.

My cousin used to work designing vehicles for Saturn and has been in the auto industry his whole life and he said in the beginning Saturn had strict controls so that if something is out of alignment like say a door gap varies as you go around the door they would take it off line and fix it. Then GM wanted more out of them so they went back to the way it is in the older auto plants where the installers carry a rubber mallet to force something to move. If it gets to banged up they bondo it and repaint it.

As far as man vs machine well I think it goes either way. Some very delicate operations are only possible with the help of machines. Clearly humans are much better at those things where the task involves a task that is in part based on an intangible evaluation. One piece of leather has an almost infinite range of shades and thicknesses and placing it and sewing it to look its best is just something a person with a trained eye can do very easily but probably is beyond the ability of any machine to do.

The fit on my limited is good although I think that when summer comes and I actually am able to hand wash it I might notice some things that you are not going to notice just looking at it. I guess I am more concerned with the function than the form so if it runs and holds up and does not have things that are annoying when I am driving it I am pretty much good to go.
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Re: Does your fuel door sit flush?

The fuel door on my 14 jeep does not sit flush. After further inspection, the "W" spring that pops open the door when the button was pushed was dislodged and the plastic holder was broken. The dealer ordered replacment parts and waiting install.
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