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Old 11-22-2012, 04:17 PM
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Any driver that is paying attention to the road should be able see far enough down the road to see an oncoming vehicle on a clear day for over a mile (if the road is straight enough and flat enough) even if that oncoming vehicle is not running its headlights or DRLs. If a driver can't see that far maybe they should not be driving.

Headlights on in the daylight only causes distance confusion as the headlights make the oncoming car appear closer than it really is.

I've noticed this myself as I wait at an intersection where cross traffic does not stop. I'll pull up and scan both left and right. After stopping and seeing headlights coming I'll pause longer then realize I had initially had plenty of distance to pull out safely. But now that I paused longer for a car I thought was closer, the distance has closed and then I have to decide to wait even longer or pull out unsafely.
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Old 11-22-2012, 04:55 PM
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So you've seen vehicle more easily, the DRL's have worked.
If you decide to pull out unsafely that has nothing to do with the DRL's that's just a poor decision
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Headlights on in the daylight only causes distance confusion as the headlights make the oncoming car appear closer than it really is.
There is a wealth of scientific evidence published that contradicts this and other antidotes mentioned here. There are several trusted sources and libraries where you can find them. About 5 or 6 years ago there was much discussion between skeptics and proponents but DRLs was proven then to save lives, and there has not been any evidence turn up since that contradicts it. Using DRLs are not going to save everyone, but enough. You may find at least one crazy old fart with a web page that continues to hang on to the notion that DRLs kill, but with unsubstantiated claims, flawed arguments, imaginary math.

Its your call if you want to put us into more life threatening situations just for your convenience, but there will soon become a time you could be jailed for manslaughter if you kill someone with a vehicle that you disabled the DRLS with, even if it looks like on first glance that it was not your fault. The callous behavior may cost you big time, IMHO.
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:31 AM
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There is a wealth of scientific evidence published that contradicts this and other antidotes mentioned here. There are several trusted sources and libraries where you can find them. About 5 or 6 years ago there was much discussion between skeptics and proponents but DRLs was proven then to save lives, and there has not been any evidence turn up since that contradicts it. Using DRLs are not going to save everyone, but enough. You may find at least one crazy old fart with a web page that continues to hang on to the notion that DRLs kill, but with unsubstantiated claims, flawed arguments, imaginary math.

Its your call if you want to put us into more life threatening situations just for your convenience, but there will soon become a time you could be jailed for manslaughter if you kill someone with a vehicle that you disabled the DRLS with, even if it looks like on first glance that it was not your fault. The callous behavior may cost you big time, IMHO.
Is there any chance you could point me to some of those studies? In no way am I doubting what you say, I'm just interested. My undergraduate thesis was road safety related. Of course, in those days horses were the main problem
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Is there any chance you could point me to some of those studies? In no way am I doubting what you say, I'm just interested. My undergraduate thesis was road safety related. Of course, in those days horses were the main problem
I'm now imagining horses with DRL eyes ... lol
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:19 PM
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Re: DRL destroyed reflector

Ok, I think you are slightly of topic, as we wanted to discuss the issue with blinded reflectors and not necessarily pro/cons of DRLs.

I checked my taillights today and both sides (the outer on the body) have blinded spots on the running/brake/turn lights (upper2 bulbs). The picture is quite interesting; the upper bulb has a blind spot above and the lower below it. I think the radiated heat causes the chrome finish the blind.

Bottom line; quality or specification issue as I haven't seen it on other cars yet. The thinner (just a guess) and/or not that durable chrome coating probably safer 50 cent per light

Looking forward to see how my service manager will react.
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Ok, I think you are slightly of topic, as we wanted to discuss the issue with blinded reflectors and not necessarily pro/cons of DRLs.

I checked my taillights today and both sides (the outer on the body) have blinded spots on the running/brake/turn lights (upper2 bulbs). The picture is quite interesting; the upper bulb has a blind spot above and the lower below it. I think the radiated heat causes the chrome finish the blind.

Bottom line; quality or specification issue as I haven't seen it on other cars yet. The thinner (just a guess) and/or not that durable chrome coating probably safer 50 cent per light

Looking forward to see how my service manager will react.
Mine are being replaced under warranty, then I'm switching to LED's. I was going to move to LED's sooner or later anyway (prefer the bright white rather than yellow), however this quality problem has pushed me and I now have them on order.
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Mine are being replaced under warranty, then I'm switching to LED's. I was going to move to LED's sooner or later anyway (prefer the bright white rather than yellow), however this quality problem has pushed me and I now have them on order.
Can i ask which LED's you ordered GlennR? Might look into doing the same.
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Can i ask which LED's you ordered GlennR? Might look into doing the same.
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There is a wealth of scientific evidence published that contradicts this and other antidotes mentioned here. There are several trusted sources and libraries where you can find them. About 5 or 6 years ago there was much discussion between skeptics and proponents but DRLs was proven then to save lives, and there has not been any evidence turn up since that contradicts it. Using DRLs are not going to save everyone, but enough. You may find at least one crazy old fart with a web page that continues to hang on to the notion that DRLs kill, but with unsubstantiated claims, flawed arguments, imaginary math.

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