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"Excessive Sludge"

I just purchased my at the time 78,000 mile 2011 WK2 a Nissan dealer in Orange County, CA.

I noticed about a week into having the vehicle that when I turned on the right blinker my fog lights would flash instead. As fate would have it, on my way to the dealer the check engine light which had been off came back on.

After taking the truck to Glenn E. Thomas Dodge/Jeep - I was told by the service writer that the headers needed to be replaced for the P0304 code(cylinder four misfire) which would be covered by Jeep AND the TIPM process would run me about $240.

I received a call today that the truck actually has "excessive sludge" due to a lack of proper maintenance from the previous owner, otherwise neglect. It was at that point all labor on the vehicle to be stopped. I told them to put the truck back together and I would deal with the OC Nissan dealer I bought it from. The dealer called back saying that they would see if Chrysler/Jeep would assist with the $2000 tab on the "excessive sludge". My hopes are not high on anything being picked up by Jeep considering that none of this is under the powertrain warranty.

I have been calling the Nissan dealer to see what I can get out of them being that they sold me the vehicle and this should have been noticed on the PDI, but of course their Used Sales Manager is "busy". I may have to physically show up in order to get any contact from him.

I have seen some posts about this before - Has anyone had luck with Jeep picking up their tabs for issues not covered?

- David

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Re: "Excessive Sludge"

That sucks but I don't know what you expect...you bought a used vehicle, it's your responsibility to check the condition of the vehicle before you purchase it.

Sucks, but I suspect you're going to find out that neither dealership will cover it.
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Old 05-19-2014, 09:46 AM
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Re: "Excessive Sludge"

I'm not familiar with a TSB or anything for the cyl misfire where the headers would be replaced by Jeep. Especially at no cost at 70k buuuuut.....
How would this relate to sludge? I mean, if the problem was a crank bearing or a bad oil pump, sure. Point being, they would need to be able to show that improper maintenance caused this problem. Maybe I don't fully understand.
Also, what did they open up your engine for (and where) to see the sludge?
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I just purchased my at the time 78,000 mile 2011 WK2 a Nissan dealer in Orange County, CA.

I noticed about a week into having the vehicle that when I turned on the right blinker my fog lights would flash instead. As fate would have it, on my way to the dealer the check engine light which had been off came back on.

After taking the truck to Glenn E. Thomas Dodge/Jeep - I was told by the service writer that the headers needed to be replaced for the P0304 code(cylinder four misfire) which would be covered by Jeep AND the TIPM process would run me about $240.

I received a call today that the truck actually has "excessive sludge" due to a lack of proper maintenance from the previous owner, otherwise neglect. It was at that point all labor on the vehicle to be stopped. I told them to put the truck back together and I would deal with the OC Nissan dealer I bought it from. The dealer called back saying that they would see if Chrysler/Jeep would assist with the $2000 tab on the "excessive sludge". My hopes are not high on anything being picked up by Jeep considering that none of this is under the powertrain warranty.

I have been calling the Nissan dealer to see what I can get out of them being that they sold me the vehicle and this should have been noticed on the PDI, but of course their Used Sales Manager is "busy". I may have to physically show up in order to get any contact from him.

I have seen some posts about this before - Has anyone had luck with Jeep picking up their tabs for issues not covered?

- David
If you just bought it a week ago look at your purchase paper work and see if you have something like a 30 day warranty on it from the nissan dealer you purchased it from. I think it can vary from state to state or dealer to dealer but many have and in some cases have to provide a short warranty like 30 days on used. This has nothing to do with jeep warranty but where you bought it from. It protects you from driving it off the lot and it blowing an engine 5 minutes later and you being stuck with the bill. These short warrantys dont apply to private sale those you are just out of luck and it is on you to have thd vehicle properly inspected before purchase

So no guarantees but look at your purchase paper work closely and go back to nissan where you purchased it and try to push it through them not jeep. If it has only been a week nissan may have responsibility. If its been months then you maybe out of luck. Read the fine print on your purchase paperwork. Good luck
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Re: "Excessive Sludge"

If you just bought the Jeep within the past week or 30 days you should have some recourse with a warranty or even a lemon law of some sort. Since you bought from a dealership who probably sold this vehicle as being in tip top shape then I feel it's on them since you trusted them to sell a vehicle in good running condition.

Also it just amazes me people avoid things like Oil changes, air filter replacement, tire rotation and pressure checks in this day and age.
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If you just bought the Jeep within the past week or 30 days you should have some recourse with a warranty or even a lemon law of some sort. Since you bought from a dealership who probably sold this vehicle as being in tip top shape then I feel it's on them since you trusted them to sell a vehicle in good running condition.

Also it just amazes me people avoid things like Oil changes, air filter replacement, tire rotation and pressure checks in this day and age.
You see the neglect a lot more on lease returns people often just dont give a crap if they know they will be just turning it back in in 3 or 4 years. As long as its not belching blue smoke when they turn it in internal neglect may not show for awhile and leave the new owner holding the bag farther down the road. Id never touch a lease turnin unless it had solid maintenance paper work with it. Not saying that is the case here but some one obviously didnt care for this jeep.
Neglect is not a warranty issue that jeep is responsible for. Nissan should foot the bill on this one as long as he is still in that 30 day window or whatever it maybe.
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I'm not familiar with a TSB or anything for the cyl misfire where the headers would be replaced by Jeep. Especially at no cost at 70k buuuuut.....
How would this relate to sludge? I mean, if the problem was a crank bearing or a bad oil pump, sure. Point being, they would need to be able to show that improper maintenance caused this problem. Maybe I don't fully understand.
Also, what did they open up your engine for (and where) to see the sludge?
In Calif, headers are part of emissions and get replaced under that warranty.
Some other states follow Ca in this.

As for the excessive sludge, it would be interesting/useful to find out exactly what they are talking about where sludge is somehow being viewed that would not be there on a pre-purchase mechanical inspection [a hundred or so, even in CA]

How sludge would trigger a misfire sounds more like voodoo troubleshooting.
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Re: "Excessive Sludge"

Also since in California, see if state law can help you with the selling dealer.
Abuses were so bad that you MIGHT have some recourse--but at the least you can give them a brown eye with the DMV.

Did that vehicle have a current emissions validation on it?

Not having that could indeed get the selling dealer in trouble, as could faking one.
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If you just bought the Jeep within the past week or 30 days you should have some recourse with a warranty or even a lemon law of some sort. Since you bought from a dealership who probably sold this vehicle as being in tip top shape then I feel it's on them since you trusted them to sell a vehicle in good running condition.

Also it just amazes me people avoid things like Oil changes, air filter replacement, tire rotation and pressure checks in this day and age.
I'm equally surprised at people who buy used vehicles without some sort of pre-purchase full mechanical check, or a warranty backed by the manufacturer.
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Re: "Excessive Sludge"

Just as an update: Chrysler did cover the cost of the vehicle repair. I am originally from NJ which most used vehicles are covered under thirty days. CA does have very strict Lemon Laws. I still have a 90-day warranty through them that covers all engine/transmission lubricated parts on the Jeep through the Nissan dealer. I spoke with the Service Director at The Nissan dealer who happened to be an ex-GM/Chrysler guy and was more than willing to cover the charges if Jeep corporate would not.

Glenn E. Thomas Dodge was able to get corporate to cover the entire repair for the "sludge" @ $2200. I will see how the vehicle runs when I get it back tomorrow. Thank you all for the commentary.

Saves me some money to get started on some mods I was looking to do.
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In Calif, headers are part of emissions and get replaced under that warranty.
Some other states follow Ca in this.

As for the excessive sludge, it would be interesting/useful to find out exactly what they are talking about where sludge is somehow being viewed that would not be there on a pre-purchase mechanical inspection [a hundred or so, even in CA]

How sludge would trigger a misfire sounds more like voodoo troubleshooting.
Ah ha! Now it makes sense-- emissions warranty.
I am reeeeeally curious about the rest of it. Most dealers advertize a 10,001 point inspection on all their pre loved cars. The selling dealer should have caught that one would think. Especially if it could be seen without taking the oil pan or head cover off.
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Just as an update: Chrysler did cover the cost of the vehicle repair. I am originally from NJ which most used vehicles are covered under thirty days. CA does have very strict Lemon Laws. I still have a 90-day warranty through them that covers all engine/transmission lubricated parts on the Jeep through the Nissan dealer. I spoke with the Service Director at The Nissan dealer who happened to be an ex-GM/Chrysler guy and was more than willing to cover the charges if Jeep corporate would not.

Glenn E. Thomas Dodge was able to get corporate to cover the entire repair for the "sludge" @ $2200. I will see how the vehicle runs when I get it back tomorrow. Thank you all for the commentary.

Saves me some money to get started on some mods I was looking to do.
That is awesome news! Glad to hear it is (hopefully) working out for you!
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Ah ha! Now it makes sense-- emissions warranty.
I am reeeeeally curious about the rest of it. Most dealers advertize a 10,001 point inspection on all their pre loved cars. The selling dealer should have caught that one would think. Especially if it could be seen without taking the oil pan or head cover off.

That is awesome news! Glad to hear it is (hopefully) working out for you!
Thanks! Yeah the Nissan dealer should have definitely caught it on the PDI. It may be me, but I am now noticing a much smoother acceleration as oppose to a "lag" I was experiencing when trying to accelerate onto the freeway. As info left side headers were also replaced to assist with correcting the misfire. Hopefully with the ECO mode being active more I will see improved MPG.
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