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Oil change after first 500 miles, then another at 1000 miles. Then follow maintenance schedule. 1 1.28%
Oil change at 1000 miles. Then follow maintenance schedule. 22 28.21%
Oil change between the first 3000 - 5000 miles. Then follow maintenance schedule. 32 41.03%
Follow the maintenane schedule and forget about 'break-in period' oil changes. 23 29.49%
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Re: First Oil Change...When do you do it?

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Amsoil has had diesel trucks go 300,000+ mi on the same oil with just filter changes, additive package added at needed intervals and oil analysis. The oil is capable. It's the additives and filtering that determine change intervals.
OK, had this conversation before so please try not to get mad...

I have sat in rooms with some of the most brillant engineers in the world and this conversation comes up from time to time. Now I can admit that AMSOIL has higher detergent contents etc for longer drain life HOWEVER unless you are going to have the oil analysis done half way through each oil change cycle, the guys who know will say that that you just can't do this.

I am not going to talk about the way AMSOIL markets themselves but here is a good link with the actual chemical breakdown of the OILs (AMSOIL vs Mobil 1 then a good comparison chart of some other popular oils).

Amsoil lab test results • Speed Talk

Now here is what the engineers say: Yes with the added detergent and higher quality synthetics on the market today you can safely go longer than a standard oil change interval. HOWEVER as manufacturers have uped the time interval based on some of the base stock improvments in the oil, Synthetics of any kind are simply an added protection. This is especially noted in that some manufacturers are not having the best of luck with these new extended change intervals and the fact the "some" manufacturers have brought the vehicles back and changed this reminder as the GF5 oils simply are not lasting.

Most important part the Engineers have to say: Yes the detergent technology is helpful in suspending contamination in the oil, however NO filter will remove all of this contamination and it will continue to build. Based on varied environemental, temperature and driving conditions the ONLY WAY the oil can be cleaned is to be removed and replaced.

Really what they suggest is you can have the most detergent laiden oil in the world but there is no filtration system in the world that can pass enough oil for an engine to use and clean it completely.

So yes, I can admit AMSOIL is likely a higher quality oil but no one should be running thier oil out to 25,000 miles because if you aren't doing the analysis every single time the environmental and driving changes are going to often cause that oil to not be protecting as it should. on the other hand if you pay to have the oil analysis done as often as needed then you are missing any savings on running this way.
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Re: First Oil Change...When do you do it?

Its great that you can change the oil less when you use synthetic but how long does the filter last? They are still using paper in most filters.
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Re: First Oil Change...When do you do it?

You change the filter with the oil?
I thought you did the oil like this

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Re: First Oil Change...When do you do it?

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From everything I have read, the Jeep computer will tell you when it needs changing based on your individual driving habits but naturally do it when you want!
The OM also claims there is no special break in additive.

As far as going synth, you should be able to just top it up with synth as needed.

Then again, it hurts nothing but wastes a few dinosaurs to change it early over to full synth and if it helps you sleep better, is cheap.
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Re: First Oil Change...When do you do it?

[QUOTE=SNUKE;849748]You change the filter with the oil?
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Re: First Oil Change...When do you do it?

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When the light comes on is only relevant if you are going to attempt to follow the manufacturer's oil change intervals. It's just a rudimentary reminder. It doesn't know what oil you are using.
The maximum oil change interval is 10,000 mi or 12 months per the manual for warranty purposes no matter what oil you use. Amsoil will stand behind you in a warranty dispute if you have followed and documented Amsoil's recommendations despite what the manual/warranty says. The light will come on when it will.
And of course while the Amsoil lawyers are having business lunch with the Mopar engine lawyers, as your engine lies in a smoldering heap, you quickly learn that Diesel shoes are fairly comfortable for walking compared to Nike/Reebok.

$30 bucks worth of oil vs 5-6K bucks worth of engine.... easy decision.
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Re: First Oil Change...When do you do it?

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I've brought in my own synthetic oil to the dealer before, they only charge $5.00 (filter) + $10.00 for change and disposal. They have always returned my container with the left-overs or empty as well. Not worth it to do it yourself for $10.00.
Even if there's no cost savings at all changing my own oil...I'd do it myself anyway. At least I'd have the piece of mind knowing it was done right.

For instance, how long do you think most shops wait for the old oil to drain out after removing the drain plug? I've seen shops screw the drain plug back within 30 seconds after first removing it. Myself...I've sometimes waited as long as 30 minutes (depending on the outside temperature) to ensure most of the dirty oil drains out.

I've also seen first hand how messy shops can be adding the new oil...dripping it all over the top of the engine and on the exhaust manifolds...and smelling burnt oil for a week.

No thanks; I'll be changing my own oil as long as I physically can...AND saving money doing it myself.

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I can't disagree with that, some do make a mess. You smell oil burning for two weeks after the change
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Re: First Oil Change...When do you do it?

For many years I did just about all my own work. I even did my own warranty work for awhile. The dealer would get me the parts and pay me whatever they got for labor.

Then, after a purchase, GM sent me a card for 3 years of free service. Then I got lazy.



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Even if there's no cost savings at all changing my own oil...I'd do it myself anyway. At least I'd have the piece of mind knowing it was done right.

For instance, how long do you think most shops wait for the old oil to drain out after removing the drain plug? I've seen shops screw the drain plug back within 30 seconds after first removing it. Myself...I've sometimes waited as long as 30 minutes (depending on the outside temperature) to ensure most of the dirty oil drains out.

I've also seen first hand how messy shops can be adding the new oil...dripping it all over the top of the engine and on the exhaust manifolds...and smelling burnt oil for a week.

No thanks; I'll be changing my own oil as long as I physically can...AND saving money doing it myself.

Agree with you completely. I can knock out an oil change on my own in less than 20 minutes. or I can turn over the truck I just paid 50K for to a bunch of high school drop outs who wouldn't care if they dumped Mazola oil into it, then spend hours sitting around bored in a waiting room with my fingers crossed that my truck will have been serviced somewhat correctly. Then they come back with a list of a dozen things they say the car needs even though everyone of them had already been done in the last couple months. been there done that with the Nissan dealers many times, no thanks. I don't do it as much to save money as I do it to save time and knowing it was done correctly.
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My only concern would be a possible warranty issue if they looked into the records if there was a problem and there was no records of regular oil changes...a bit of a grey area that we don't want to be in.
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