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Old 12-30-2015, 10:29 PM
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Frame damage? Any luck?

Hey everyone, total bummer as my baby was wrecked today by an older lady who claims she didn't see me. (Hope, so otherwise that would mean she did it on purpose)

Anyway. It's still a little early as no adjuster has even come to look yet. But I'm super antsy and squirming in my pants wanting a resolution. I really don't want to lose her, but also don't want a repaired car that just isn't ever quite right.

The impact was pretty hard, and there will be considerable mechanical damage repairs.

The driver front axle is toast for sure (driver front wheel actually slid under neath driver door as it was drug up onto the flat bed hauler), and the fender and driver door will need to be replace, both front wheels replaces, maybe a whole new paint job or at least driver side and blend.

Knowing this is a unibody, what are the odds of frame damage, and the odds of them being able to fix it if there is any?

Anyone with experience?

Visually it looks like the axel and fender absorbed most of the energy. The lines on the passenger side are still sharp and it only looks bad where it's hit.
The fortunately small Ford CMAX was only going about 3-4mph, as she was just starting to make a U turn as I drove by, and she drove into my front driver fender and wheel.

Had I been a 1/4 second later I'd have t-boned her. 1/4 second sooner she would have t-boned me.
So the impact, though hard was some what of a glance. She stopped but I kept rolling a good ways.

My WK2 is an Overland with 49,600 miles and likely valued around $28,000 modestly based on dealership asking prices of similar vehicles in the area of $32,000. 80% of $28,000 would require $22,000 + in repairs for a total loss.

Anyone have some insight?

I've already gone and looked at a couple 2012 and 2013 Overlands listed for $30,000, and they were BEAT!
I dunno where I'll be able to find another Gem like this. I bought her in October 2014 with 33k miles and MINT.

Again I don't want her to be totaled but also don't want a crooked car.

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Old 12-31-2015, 07:28 AM
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Re: Frame damage? Any luck?

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I know you want to keep her, but sometimes after repairs, the car just isnt the same. I ve been t-boned twice, one was repaired and did not drive like it used to. my last car was t-boned and they totaled it. Whatever you do, next car or repaired, get a dash-cam. Helps insurance determine who was at fault ( if you say its her fault, it will help you, if its your fault don't give it to them...lol)
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I know you want to keep her, but sometimes after repairs, the car just isnt the same. I ve been t-boned twice, one was repaired and did not drive like it used to. my last car was t-boned and they totaled it. Whatever you do, next car or repaired, get a dash-cam. Helps insurance determine who was at fault ( if you say its her fault, it will help you, if its your fault don't give it to them...lol)

It's funny I've been contemplating a dash cam for a while. Fortunately she got the ticket so establishing fault shouldn't be difficult. And in FL we have "no fault" insurance meaning my insurance has to cover it no matter what. So if her ins denies fault mine covers, then mine can do an investigation and settle out with her insurance whenever.

Anyway, I know cars can end up being not the same. That's why im trying to get opinions here about the odds of it having frame damage. And are unibody vehicles even more difficult to fix?


I got the photos working, so what do you think? I hope the axle and fender soaked up all the energy. The lady had only just got moving when we hit. I was l probably doing 35-40, and it was a glancing hit. She drove into me pushing me off the road, and I hit a curb which is why both front wheels are smoked.

But as far as frame damage she looks straight on the passenger side and even the driver side doesn't look too bad. Only where it's hit does it look bad. I hope the vertical beam where the front door hinges attach isn't pushed in.




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Re: Frame damage? Any luck?

That's not bad. It's hard to tell from the pictures but the hood lines and rear door lines still look good so I wouldn't expect much of an issue. The front frame rail may be bent but not a huge issue.
Just get it fixed at the best shop, do some leg work as far as repair shops.
Make sure to get diminished value if they do that in your state, car fax will show the repair and it will be worth less.
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That's not bad. It's hard to tell from the pictures but the hood lines and rear door lines still look good so I wouldn't expect much of an issue. The front frame rail may be bent but not a huge issue.
Just get it fixed at the best shop, do some leg work as far as repair shops.
Make sure to get diminished value if they do that in your state, car fax will show the repair and it will be worth less.

Thanks for the response

What is "dimished value"? Ive never heard of that term.


She'll be going to Jerry Ulm Dodge where I bought her..


Yes the lines are still really straight. I popped the hood and the engine bay appears to be straight. Both sides of the engine compartment that the fenders bolt to look the same. The driver door is buckled, but when you open the door, the column the door hinges on is straight. The gaps and alignment of the rear doors and the chrome trims are the same on each side. The rear driver door shuts clean.

I truly think (in my uneducated opinion) that the frame isn't bent. Or if it is, it's super super minor.

Like you said, even the hood - fender gap on the driver side isn't that bad. They only bad lines are where it's hit and they aren't THAT bad.

I honestly think and hope the axle and control arm, wheel and fender absorbed the energy. Control arm is broken in two...

The timing was "perfect" if you will to avoid it being worse..

Like I said above, if I was a split second sooner she would have hit me in the driver door blowing the side air bags. And if I was a split second later I would have hit her in the passenger doors and likely blown my front air bags.

I looked up parts costs and came to about $5,000 using fat numbers. And a fat guess at labor including a paint job came to $12,000 worst case in repairs...

With the new year holiday and USAA (her insurance) being closed, I'm sitting here in limbo waiting to here her fate...

She's super clean, interior looks brand new.. Dash leather was just fixed 18 mos ago under warranty. Replaced most of the wood trims as it separated from the base from FL heat. She is so Mint it's maddening.

Sorry to ramble but I'm hurting lol...
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Frame damage? Any luck?

Sorry to hear. Accidents are no fun for sure. At least it wasn't extremely severe.

Diminished value means your vehicle is worth less because it has been in an accident. The insurance co will cut you a check up front because of the accident caused your vehicle's value to decrease, if they repair it.
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Sorry to hear. Accidents are no fun for sure. At least it wasn't extremely severe.

Diminished value means your vehicle is worth less because it has been in an accident. The insurance co will cut you a check up front because of the accident caused your vehicle's value to decrease, if they repair it.
I see. So if they fix my car, they will also give me a check of day $2000 as that's a guesstimate of how much less I'll get for the car?

It may not matter in this case. I intend to keep this car forever if she is fixable. Again, she is flawless inside..

In 2-3 years it'll become my beach beater (though I dont truly ever "beat" my vehicles) and I'll get a 2016 or so, used, as my daily driver.

So resale isn't really a worry. When I sell my cars they are usually at the age when having an accident or two doesn't really affect value as they have already bottomed out. You know 10-12 years old valued around $6k. The 2004 WJ I sold in 2014 had 4 minor accidents on CarFax and it still fetched its KBB value within $300.

P.S. Though I appreciate your feedback here, trolling my other posts to somehow gain a point on another topics is lame. My statements on the other posts are my own, they can be argued until blue in the face, but those are my beliefs like them or not. I'm not a sugar coater or a bullshitter and may come off like a dick but really don't give a F.

Someone asked some lame uneducated question about leasing and I stated leasing is a mistake. That's what started that silliness.. Honestly by leasing you're locked into a payment essentially forever.

I tried it a couple times and realized I was only paying off the profits of the new car to keep Chrylser in business. The people buying them off lease were getting a Gem, 2-3 year old car for half or less of its MSRP.

Now going from a WK to a WK2 is a serious upgrade. But to buy a GEM 11-13 WK2 versus buying or leasing a 2014-2016 WK2 isn't worth it. The upgrades are minimal but come with a price tag of almost double.
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Re: Frame damage? Any luck?

Having had two vehicles with hits like yours repaired by a top quality dealer collision shop, I have seen the wonders that a computer controlled body rack can do to straighten things out. Both vehicles ran straight and true for 90,000 miles post repair. However there are a host of other systems that look okay after the collision, but are not. Spindles, suspension parts, steering racks, pumps, parts of the drive train, that were "shocked"in the incident and suffer premature failure later on. Insist on replacement of such parts during the repair. The issue of "diminished value" is real. I would ask for it even if your state doesn't have a law.
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