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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

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I have a feeling people are either ending up in reverse because they aren't fully pushing the shifter forward to get it to park or they're going the wrong way with it and putting it in Sport Mode instead of Park.

Maybe they think the "S" stands for "Stay".

For what it's worth, the Jeep won't let you shut the engine off without it being in park, so it would only be an issue if the Jeep is running.

Having said that, I'm pretty sure the Jeep applies the brakes if you open the door while in gear - at least in Drive, anyway. It might not do that in reverse since some people might need to open the door to back up into a tricky spot, such as onto a dock.
IT DOES MOVE IF IT IS IN REVERSE AND YOU OPEN THE DOOR WITH THE ENGINE RUNNING. On several occasions I have pushed the lever forward thinking it was in park and opened the door to get out and found the car moving. Happens when you are in the middle of attaching a trailer, jumping out to get your mail, etc. Common things. I've been driving automatics with console mounted selectors for over 20 years so the process is now ingrown. Tough to change to the Jeep system.

The GC system is an accident waiting to happen, ala the woman hit by a commuter train in her ML with it's different arrangement. It is not intuitive in an emergency situation. Jeep ought to retrofit the 14s and 15s.

It is one black mark on an otherwise outstanding vehicle. Love my GC.

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Old 08-25-2015, 09:58 PM
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Honestly I cannot stand it but whatever. lol
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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

^^^^

I've thrown it into reverse several times meaning to put it into park. Thankfully I caught it, and even made sure the gf knew that she needs to pay attention
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Old 08-26-2015, 12:08 AM
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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

The shifter mechanics in my 14' is stupid to say the least...so easy to throw it in N when going up to R from D and into R from D when heading to P....

I have driven hundreds of cars/SUV's and this is a very akward system. As others said it should be natural, not something forced to conform to.

That said, if you look to see what gear it is in, you will never have a problem. I do not do anything without verifying the illuminated letter on the actual shifter. Period

Very interested to see the findings of the inquiry...
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Old 08-26-2015, 06:25 AM
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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

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Definitely a quirky shifter, but come on people. Pay attention! Driver error, but of course it's always somebody else's fault, isn't it?

I fully understand what you're getting at, but sometimes the fault DOES lie in a poor design. While over time, you "may get used to it" (the shifter), for some of us, the GC isn't the only vehicle in the family fleet, therefore we don't drive the GC on a daily basis. Consequently, "getting used to it" isn't accomplished in a timely manner.


With respect to the comments about electronic shifters, my wife has a couple of Jags, and they have a rotary knob, that rises out of the console when the ignition is turned on. While not 100% fool-proof, they're a LOT more positive, in their operation, compared to the GC.

I'd hate to be in an emergency situation, in my GC, and have to change gears in a hurry.....
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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

One of the least intuitive moves for me was going from sport mode back to drive. If you pull back going into sport mode pushing forward would be the natural way back to drive. Unfortunately that gets you into neutral.


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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

Lol, least intuitive for me was getting into an old 3 on the tree. Talk about not knowing wtf to do
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This all sounds like user error, not a faulty part. Im curious to see what their findings are.


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This is the reason I kept my 2012 Overland. Last year my wife had an accident with the Pilot we had and the insurance company gave us a rental until it was fix and we got a 2015 limited for a while. After a week of both us driving it we decided to buy out the lease on the 2012 and keep it. Both of us could not stand the shifter.


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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

no offense but people who are messing up the gear shifting are the reason why they put instructions on shampoo. People need to take responsibility for their own stupidity and not try to blame someone else for their own negligence.

All is takes is a quick second to look at the dash or shifter to see what gear the car is in that's all. Owner of a '15 and I ALWAYS look to see what gear the car is in when I'm shifting.
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I ALWAYS look to see what gear the car is in when I'm shifting.
It is good that you do this. The point you might be missing is that for me, and I'm sure for others, it is the first vehicle in over 40 years of driving that I have had to look. It was change for the sake of change. If they reversed the position of the gas and brake pedal, would that be OK as long as they mentioned it in the manual?

You are correct that at the end of the day it is user (my) error. And as a responsible driver I got rid of my Overland and will be replacing it with a new Summit if the new shifter works as expected. It wasn't the only reason for the change, but the shifter was high on the list.


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no offense but people who are messing up the gear shifting are the reason why they put instructions on shampoo. People need to take responsibility for their own stupidity and not try to blame someone else for their own negligence.

All is takes is a quick second to look at the dash or shifter to see what gear the car is in that's all. Owner of a '15 and I ALWAYS look to see what gear the car is in when I'm shifting.
I don't recall if the current gear is the default in the EVIC. Dimly recall it wasn't.
That is easier to see than glancing down at the shifter, as the indicators on the shifter are almost as bad as the numeric current gear just to the right of the D/S in the EVIC.

With the current recall hysteria, I would actually be surprised if some hare-brained "fix" doesn't result, complete with a 2-year backlog for parts.
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