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Old 08-31-2015, 02:18 AM
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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

I didn't put my blinker on and changed lanes...cut someone off...why didn't the Jeep know this and notify me?

I want an investigation



Oh wait, I did use my blinker and the triangle was illuminated...and it did beep at me. How was I able to switch lanes without that before?

HAHA the sifter sucks initially, but now is easy to use and even easier to check what gear I moved it into. Yes you read that right, the driver does in fast select the gear...LMAO

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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

For all of you "critics", who are taking potshots at those of us who are less than enthralled by the GC shifter, consider this.....


I went out to the garage (attached to the house) this morning, and was preparing to move a bulky chair into the house. I wanted to simply roll the GC a foot or two forward, to allow better access to the door of the house, and make the job easier. I get into the vehicle, key fob in pocket, push the brake, just to slip it into neutral, so it would roll.

Nothing doing. The shifter wouldn't operate, unless the engine was running. Now I don't know if this also is the case, if the vehicle was in motion, say if the engine stalled, and you're trying to steer it off to the side of the road, but I don't see how this "operation" is in any way logical.
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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

thats by design and i dont see the issue with that. seems like the common sense thing to do if you wanted to move your car is to first start your car.
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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

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thats by design and i dont see the issue with that. seems like the common sense thing to do if you wanted to move your car is to first start your car.
Yeah... but once again this investigation/lawsuit/thread proves it.

These days, among more and more folks, "Common Sense" isn't all that common.

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thats by design and i dont see the issue with that. seems like the common sense thing to do if you wanted to move your car is to first start your car.

Unfortunately, I do not agree with your definition of "common sense". Starting a vehicle, just to move it TWO FEET, does two things, neither of them good for the vehicle. First, it discharges the battery, and it won't run long enough to charge it back up. Secondly, you're removing any accumulated condensation off the cylinder walls, depositing it into the oil, without heating the oil, and "cooking" it off, therefore diluting the oil.

Most garages are pitched toward the outside, to promote water drainage. Therefore, if all I want to do is roll the vehicle forward, all I should have to do is put the vehicle in neutral, roll it the two feet, then put it back into "Park". I believe people in similar situations have been doing this for 50-60 years, and somehow or other, I really don't see why it's no longer a viable method.....



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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

I used to roll my vehicle back to access the pull down stairs in my garage. Now I start it up, no big deal.

As for not being good for the car ... that's just a try at supporting a position. Unless of course when it is time to move the car back up the incline, you go for a five mile drive first.


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Old 09-01-2015, 11:40 PM
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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

Had it happen a couple times to me, put the park brakes on, thought I shifted into Park but it was still in Drive....got lucky.
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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

I'd prefer to have the vehicle running, that way the power assisted brakes, sensors and camera (if rolling backwards) are all in operation.. We see on the news in Australia all too often, children being hit by the family car in the driveway. I could think of nothing worse than my little girl not hearing the car moving and walk in front or behind it. I know we are only talking a couple of feet, but that's may be all it takes..
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thats by design and i dont see the issue with that. seems like the common sense thing to do if you wanted to move your car is to first start your car.
The problem is, what if you need to pop it into neutral to get it on a flat bed when the engine fails to turn over? Or maybe you have to roll it out of the garage to get it on the truck?

You can't even engage the 4x4 neutral switch without the engine running.
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The problem is, what if you need to pop it into neutral to get it on a flat bed when the engine fails to turn over? Or maybe you have to roll it out of the garage to get it on the truck?

You can't even engage the 4x4 neutral switch without the engine running.
You really need to spend less time writing and more time reading ... the owners manual.

"In order to move the vehicle in cases where the transmission
will not shift out of PARK (such as a dead battery),
a Manual Park Release is available.
Follow these steps to use the Manual Park Release:
1. Firmly apply the parking brake.
2. Open the center console and locate the Manual Park
Release cover, remove it by snapping the cover away
from the console hinges.
3. Using a screwdriver or similar tool, push the metal
latch in towards the tether strap.
4. While the metal latch is in the open position, simultaneously
pull upwards on the tether strap until the
lever clicks and latches in the released position. The
transmission is now out of PARK and the vehicle can
be moved."


NOTE:
To prevent the vehicle from rolling unintentionally, firmly apply the parking brake.

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You really need to spend less time writing and more time reading ... the owners manual.
Ah, yes... manual park release. That sordid tale of misbegotten engineering that results in a farcical scenario where an armrest can kill your transmission. Per the same manual page as you cited:
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Closing the armrest while the Manual Park Release is activated may damage the Manual Park Release mechanism, the transmission and the armrest.
Heh.

FWIW, god damn but I hate that electronic shifter. I find myself swearing at it at least 3 or 4x a week when it doesn't shift into park (stops at N instead) and requires me to try again and fight it when it obviously doesn't want to shift (mash the button and jam it forward for 3 seconds in order for it to get the idea that you really want to be in P, while you can feel the shifter resisting you the whole time). Fortunately, I habitually set the parking brake so when the shifter sticks in neutral then my vehicle doesn't roll when I release the brake pedal in N after I erroneously believe I have shifted into P.

Of course, then there's the fun of how it likes to skip over the desired gear when you're trying to shift from D into reverse.

The Curse-O-Matic shifter really is a "solution" in search of a problem. Glad to hear they are jettisoning the idea.
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You really need to spend less time writing and more time reading ... the owners manual.

"In order to move the vehicle in cases where the transmission
will not shift out of PARK (such as a dead battery),
a Manual Park Release is available.
Follow these steps to use the Manual Park Release:
1. Firmly apply the parking brake.
2. Open the center console and locate the Manual Park
Release cover, remove it by snapping the cover away
from the console hinges.
3. Using a screwdriver or similar tool, push the metal
latch in towards the tether strap.
4. While the metal latch is in the open position, simultaneously
pull upwards on the tether strap until the
lever clicks and latches in the released position. The
transmission is now out of PARK and the vehicle can
be moved."


NOTE:
To prevent the vehicle from rolling unintentionally, firmly apply the parking brake.

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That's an incredibly horrible system.

I don't understand why they couldn't just use a press and hold function on the neutral pin when the vehicle is in the "Run" position. It's not like simply setting something there would press that thing. You have to push on it with something pointy for several seconds.

Having to be in "Run" would be a fail safe against that bag of 10 penny nails you casually left on the arm wrest falling off over night and pressing the release.


At any rate, I'm usually pretty good about giving it a good shove or pull to go from Part to Drive or back to Park. I've never missed once I realized it knows whether you are pushing hard or just tapping it. The first day or two, I was ticking through the gears all the way up and all the way down. It was the first time having an electronic automatic after years of a manual tranny.
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