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Old 08-25-2015, 11:19 AM
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I think its just the stupid shifter and people think its in one gear, but its not, then they get hurt. I also think its not only user error, but a design screw up...just my opinion
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Old 08-25-2015, 11:38 AM
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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

It is human error ... one I made a couple of times myself with my '14. Although more than a few people love it, some just because it was something new, I believe most people could do without it.


Putting aside the folks who just don't like it, many people proclaimed that they got used to it. That is good, but shifting in and out of gear shouldn't be something you need to get used to. It should be as natural to use as a gas or brake pedal.


Although it has been dumped for '16, it will be interesting to see if they will be forced, by our overly aggressive feds, to retrofit something for those on the road.




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Old 08-25-2015, 02:12 PM
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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

I have a feeling people are either ending up in reverse because they aren't fully pushing the shifter forward to get it to park or they're going the wrong way with it and putting it in Sport Mode instead of Park.

Maybe they think the "S" stands for "Stay".

For what it's worth, the Jeep won't let you shut the engine off without it being in park, so it would only be an issue if the Jeep is running.

Having said that, I'm pretty sure the Jeep applies the brakes if you open the door while in gear - at least in Drive, anyway. It might not do that in reverse since some people might need to open the door to back up into a tricky spot, such as onto a dock.
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Old 08-25-2015, 02:24 PM
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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

Interesting. When i shift into park i almost always apply the parking break. I have caught my self that i incidentally stay in Reverse thinking i switched to Parking. its rare that i do that but i can see it a happening. With that said i believe that is more of a driver error. Also, applying the parking brake if you push in to far to engage ive noticed that i will eventually dis engage.

Maybe the parking brake is not applied properly or at all?
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Old 08-25-2015, 03:00 PM
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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

I'll let the NHTSA do their study to determine what's really happening here. Personally, this has never happened to me, but I'll agree the shifter can be touchy, and it takes some getting used to it. I will admit that I still have a problem, although very infrequently, ending up in park when I think I've shifted into reverse. I'm sure it's "operator error", but it's still disconcerting to give it gas and hear the engine rev, but get no power to the wheels. At least I'm not rolling, because it's in park.
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Having said that, I'm pretty sure the Jeep applies the brakes if you open the door while in gear - at least in Drive, anyway. It might not do that in reverse since some people might need to open the door to back up into a tricky spot, such as onto a dock.
I can attest to the fact that my JGC did not apply the brakes when I opened the door and exited the vehicle yesterday (on flat ground) after backing out of a parking spot...it rolled forward into a fence post before I got my foot back on the brake. Now I had assumed I accidentally put it in D instead of P as intended, though I didn't look after I got the car stopped, I was too pissed to think about it. But now I wonder...
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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

I'm 63 years old, been driving since I was 16, owned cars since I was 18. Having said that, I recently bought a 2015 GC. In my opinion, the ??*&^%$##!! shifter is the MOST AWKWARD shifter I've ever encountered!

Whoever designed it, should be subjected to a "dunk tank" at a county carnival, for 72 hours straight!!






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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

Definitely a quirky shifter, but come on people. Pay attention! Driver error, but of course it's always somebody else's fault, isn't it?
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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

When I bought my 2015, it took a couple days to get used to. There is an adjustment period for sure.

And anyone who drives my Jeep for the first time either has a problem with the shifter or complains about it.

Honestly I cannot stand it but whatever. lol
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Old 08-25-2015, 09:31 PM
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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

I'm always apprehensive about letting anyone else drive mine. I know they'll have problems if they've never driven a shift by wire like the wk2. The car wash I go to won't touch it. I need to stay with it going through. They tell me they do this for any vehicle with an electronic shifter.
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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

I'm betting that ALL of these events were caused by Human Error.

But the piece of $h!t shifter is partly at fault!

I've done this a few times over the 6 months I've owned my 2015. I've placed it in PARK (or thought I did) only to discover that it had gone into Neutral.
Once it happened a second time, I started paying closer attention to CONFIRM it was in the Gear I wanted it to be in!

And if Jeep/Chrysler is somehow forced to "fix" this issue on the 2014/2015 models, it will serve them right! They should have done a LOT more testing before coming out with this crappy design!
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Re: Grand Cherokee under investigation

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I'm betting that ALL of these events were caused by Human Error.

But the piece of $h!t shifter is partly at fault!

I've done this a few times over the 6 months I've owned my 2015. I've placed it in PARK (or thought I did) only to discover that it had gone into Neutral.
Once it happened a second time, I started paying closer attention to CONFIRM it was in the Gear I wanted it to be in!

And if Jeep/Chrysler is somehow forced to "fix" this issue on the 2014/2015 models, it will serve them right! They should have done a LOT more testing before coming out with this crappy design!

This is the reason I kept my 2012 Overland. Last year my wife had an accident with the Pilot we had and the insurance company gave us a rental until it was fix and we got a 2015 limited for a while. After a week of both us driving it we decided to buy out the lease on the 2012 and keep it. Both of us could not stand the shifter.


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