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Re: Grease In Both Front Wheels... Normal?

That pic is the exact same so the pic is definitely before the latest repair although that condition may very well still exist.

OP, hope they fixed this when they fixed the brake issue cause here is my "normal" link bushing joint on the left, yours zoomed in is on right.
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Re: Grease In Both Front Wheels... Normal?

these are the reasons why I only buy a Chrysler products (not because they have the issues, but because my father in law is a mechanic at a local dealer - I trust his work) car manufacturers are not willing to pay the mechanics fair hours for their actual time to perform a repair so they have to rush to earn a decent living.

some mechanics cut corners everywhere to make their 40+ hours and some mechanics (my father-in-law) has pride in his work and does the right job every time even if it means he works 40 hours and gets paid 30.

Unfortunately the mechanics that cut corners makes the dealerships the most money.

Its messed up but its the new normal.
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Re: Grease In Both Front Wheels... Normal?

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That pic is the exact same so the pic is definitely before the latest repair although that condition may very well still exist.

OP, hope they fixed this when they fixed the brake issue cause here is my "normal" link bushing joint on the left, yours zoomed in is on right.
Well the rattle is gone. Can anyone with a limited take a picture of their links to see if the rubber is there? Maybe it's a difference between the summit and limited?

I have pictures (the first set of pictures I posted in this thread) of prior to the CV boot repair, and there was no rubber on that link prior to the repair either.

I'll be calling the service manager on Monday morning either way, so if there is supposed to be a rubber cover there, I will sure bring that up.

One last thing, I had the same thing posted on a other forum and they also noticed the gap. This is what two separate people said about it.

"Nope, that link is for the differential. What he was pointing to is your sway/stabilizer bar end link.

Based on the other side from your pictures it's designed to look like that and isn't something to worry about. Wouldn't hurt to mention it to the service adviser though to have them double check.

edit: This is the link you need. http://www.mopar.com/jeep/grand-cher...57387/44/3121/
Looks like there's no washer or bushing there."

And

"That is normal for suspension geometry. The top looks almost the same. But it still very well could be that is the end link that is rattling about, though not for missing anything."
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Re: Grease In Both Front Wheels... Normal?

^^^^^

I love mechanical mysteries! Standby while I trim the video, I have your clarification.

Video sucked don't need it.

Ok, your link and bushing is identical to mine. The delio is that the bushing is a combo rubber bushing AND rubber boot to cover the bolt shaft since it is actually a sliding shaft for the link. Those that said the space is normal are correct, it's just not supposed to be exposed.

The red arrows point to the hollow part of the bushing. It pushes in (squishes) when you press on it. This is supposed to keep the elements out, mainly prevent that bolt shaft from corroding and therefore not sliding like it should. Many bushings like this are dry just protected and some are packed with grease to keep moisture out and lubricated. I am not sure how this one is supposed to be.

In any event. The yellow arrows point to the problem. My pic on left shows that end of the bushing boot properly seated around washer stud on the lower control arm. Yours shows the exposed washer stud where the "left/narrower" side of the bushing boot should be seated.

Good news is you could easily work that bushing boot around that washer stud. However, since it has been exposed to the elements and has grease on it (proper or not) it has attracted grit and you should NOT allow anyone to just slide it back over. The 100% proper fix is to remove the bolt/shaft/bushing boot, clean it out and re-install per spec (dry or packed?).

I am a firm believer in the old saying, "Anything worth doing, is worth doing RIGHT."
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Re: Grease In Both Front Wheels... Normal?

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^^^^^

I love mechanical mysteries! Standby while I trim the video, I have your clarification.

Video sucked don't need it.

Ok, your link and bushing is identical to mine. The delio is that the bushing is a combo rubber bushing AND rubber boot to cover the bolt shaft since it is actually a sliding shaft for the link. Those that said the space is normal are correct, it's just not supposed to be exposed.

The red arrows point to the hollow part of the bushing. It pushes in (squishes) when you press on it. This is supposed to keep the elements out, mainly prevent that bolt shaft from corroding and therefore not sliding like it should. Many bushings like this are dry just protected and some are packed with grease to keep moisture out and lubricated. I am not sure how this one is supposed to be.

In any event. The yellow arrows point to the problem. My pic on left shows that end of the bushing boot properly seated around washer stud on the lower control arm. Yours shows the exposed washer stud where the "left/narrower" side of the bushing boot should be seated.

Good news is you could easily work that bushing boot around that washer stud. However, since it has been exposed to the elements and has grease on it (proper or not) it has attracted grit and you should NOT allow anyone to just slide it back over. The 100% proper fix is to remove the bolt/shaft/bushing boot, clean it out and re-install per spec (dry or packed?).

I am a firm believer in the old saying, "Anything worth doing, is worth doing RIGHT."
All I know is that I won't be bringing it back to the same dealership to do that.

Can someone else take a picture bushing to see if theirs is covered as 14SummitHemi's? I just want to make sure before I make a big deal about this when I call the service manager on Monday to discuss what happened.
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All I know is that I won't be bringing it back to the same dealership to do that.

Can someone else take a picture bushing to see if theirs is covered as 14SummitHemi's? I just want to make sure before I make a big deal about this when I call the service manager on Monday to discuss what happened.
Mine is the exact same as yours. If you are concerned because things look a bit different notice that if you were to visually rotate my pic to the left it would be at the same angle/pt of view as yours. The pics are of the exact same bushing and yours is obviously not "set" correctly as described. My post is correct. Share it on the other site for the other posters to see. It's not jf.com that I can tell or I would.
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Re: Grease In Both Front Wheels... Normal?

Did they check the alignment when done too?

My service tech said my new axles are installed and they sent the wheels out to be cleaned....whatever that means.

I hope to get it back tomorrow (Saturday) and was gonna ask him if they also check the alignment and adjust accordingly....after all replacing the axle would require checking the alignment....right???????
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Mine is the exact same as yours. If you are concerned because things look a bit different notice that if you were to visually rotate my pic to the left it would be at the same angle/pt of view as yours. The pics are of the exact same bushing and yours is obviously not "set" correctly as described. My post is correct. Share it on the other site for the other posters to see. It's not jf.com that I can tell or I would.

You are 100% correct. I just had a chance to check underneath the car and both bushings have rubber boots around them. Guess they failed to mention they put those back on.
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You are 100% correct. I just had a chance to check underneath the car and both bushings have rubber boots around them. Guess they failed to mention they put those back on.
Just make sure it is disassembled and cleaned not just wiped out by jamming a rag up in there. That will just push the grit into the corners and cause the link joint not to slide as designed. You deserve an AS NEW condition.

To show how anal and distrustful of mechanics I am I would take a sharpie and put multiple alignment marks on the nut and bolt shaft such that it would be obvious to me after the fact that they did or did not actually take that joint apart. I am convinced the average mechanic would just clean it up in place no matter what the job request was. Sorry to the many good, trustworthy, professional mechanics out there but I am an experienced, longtime backyard mechanic and am only going on my 30 yrs of experience as a customer when I have had to hire a wrench.

Also, the boot edge may be "caught" somehow and may either be damaged or unable to be re-seated without taking the joint apart anyway.
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Just dropped mine off at the dealer. They won't get to it till Monday. They put me in a Jeep Patriot rental.

They said it might be done on Monday afternoon. I doubt they will have the parts by then and installed. Kinda make me curious if they are gonna try and half a$$ it and just wipe it down and tighten the hose clamps.


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Just dropped mine off at the dealer. They won't get to it till Monday. They put me in a Jeep Patriot rental.

They said it might be done on Monday afternoon. I doubt they will have the parts by then and installed. Kinda make me curious if they are gonna try and half a$$ it and just wipe it down and tighten the hose clamps.


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Good news is they are not hose clamps. Don't know the name but they are one piece that have to be crimped down by a special tool that I am almost certain only exists at the station that put the CV boot on by looking closely at the clamp itself. Since the clamp is one piece the dealer cannot simply put another one on without disassembling the CV joint itself. Pretty sure this is why the dealers are replacing the whole half-shaft as a unit.
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Good news is they are not hose clamps. Don't know the name but they are one piece that have to be crimped down by a special tool that I am almost certain only exists at the station that put the CV boot on by looking closely at the clamp itself. Since the clamp is one piece the dealer cannot simply put another one on without disassembling the CV joint itself. Pretty sure this is why the dealers are replacing the whole half-shaft as a unit.

Thanks. Makes me feel a little better.


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