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I just bought a "certified" 2011 Grand Cherokee Limited with 4WD options such as snow, rock, mud, etc. I'm in Michigan and we had a inch of new snow this afternoon. I went out for a bit, turned a corner slowly, and slid all over the place. Got my errand done, started to head out, slowly accelerated, and fishtailed all over. Pulled out onto a slushy road slowly and again fishtailed. I tried auto mode and snow mode and there didn't seem to be any difference. I was white knuckle driving all the way home.

Once I got closer to home, I headed up the dirt road hill that now had at least 2 inches of new snow and there was zero slippage. It went up the steep, snowy hill no problem which surprised and confused me.

I just traded in a VW Touareg that I had for almost 5 years. No slippage, no fishtailing, no sliding. Am I expecting too much from this jeep? I believe the tires are all weather standard. My Touareg's tires were nothing special as well.

Sorry if I sound clueless as I know nothing about cars. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Old 11-20-2014, 09:47 AM
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What tires on on your GC? If they're the Michelin Latitudes that would explain your problem. They're notoriously bad on slippy surfaces, especially if they're worn.
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I just bought a "certified" 2011 Grand Cherokee Limited with 4WD options such as snow, rock, mud, etc. I'm in Michigan and we had a inch of new snow this afternoon. I went out for a bit, turned a corner slowly, and slid all over the place. Got my errand done, started to head out, slowly accelerated, and fishtailed all over. Pulled out onto a slushy road slowly and again fishtailed. I tried auto mode and snow mode and there didn't seem to be any difference. I was white knuckle driving all the way home.

Once I got closer to home, I headed up the dirt road hill that now had at least 2 inches of new snow and there was zero slippage. It went up the steep, snowy hill no problem which surprised and confused me.

I just traded in a VW Touareg that I had for almost 5 years. No slippage, no fishtailing, no sliding. Am I expecting too much from this jeep? I believe the tires are all weather standard. My Touareg's tires were nothing special as well.

Sorry if I sound clueless as I know nothing about cars. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
On the side of your tires, there will be a manufacturer name and model.
That helps answer questions.

Also, you might want to get a cheap ruler and stick it in the tread and note how much is left.

All season tires quite often can mean that the tires are equally bad at all times of the year. Some tires aren't too bad at straight line traction but not very good at cornering traction particularly.

If the tires are the Michelin Latitudes, it is somewhat discouraging to see a premium company like Michelin selling crap like those.

If that year has stability control, it might not be engaging... if you have it and there is an indicator [owner's manual available from dealer or cheap for second owners at jeep.com], you would expect it would be flashing when you corner.

If I lived in Michigan, I'd pick up a set of separate wheels and fit the vehicle with real snow tires, Nokian, Cooper, Michelin X-Ice, Hankook Winter, etc. It avoids increased insurance premiums.
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Re: Help please.

Thank you for the responses. They are the Michelin Latitudes. I did the ruler test and the front appear to be half worn, and the back even more. I then took it to the dealer this morning as it's still covered under "certified". However, they admitted the tires were half worn but still fell under acceptable so I would have to replace them at my cost. They checked everything out as well and told me the 4wd, esp, etc., is functioning properly. Then they tried to sell me the same tires new. No, thank you! I'm checking out other tires now.

I greatly appreciate the help, because I am extremely car stupid.
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Re: Help please.

If you don't want the cost and trouble of two sets of wheels to put dedicated snow tires on for the winter, I can highly recommend the Michelin LTX M/S 2 all season tires for a replacement. I live on the south shore of Lake Erie, in the lake effect snow belt region. The LTX M/S2's have been extremely good for me, and they are quiet and smooth on dry pavement. In snow mode my GC is unstoppable. One thing about snow mode is that you start out in 2nd gear, which reduces wheel slippage a great deal when accelerating from a stop.
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Another tire to consider is the Nokian Rotiiva. Although they are a little more on the higher end of the price point - they are superb in all different terrains and stellar in snow/wet.


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Re: Help please.

I can't really afford the cost of dedicated tires and wheels this year. I am looking into both the Nokian Rotiiva and the Michelin LTX. Probably the price is going to sway me one way or the other since they both come highly recommended. Thank you!!
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I can't really afford the cost of dedicated tires and wheels this year. I am looking into both the Nokian Rotiiva and the Michelin LTX. Probably the price is going to sway me one way or the other since they both come highly recommended. Thank you!!

Do some research on both of the tires - I'm a big fan of the Nokian tire brand as a whole - they have been making tires since something like the start of the car. They actually devolved the first "snow tire" in the world. They're my choice obviously.


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Re: Help please.

So researched both tires and others. Both the Michelin and Nokian as mentioned in this thread had excellent reviews. I am in Michigan and was very surprised that I could not find Nokian tires sold in the three different tire stores I called. One store said they could order them, but I didn't want to wait so I went with Michelin LTX M/S2's.

Going to the tire store, I attempted to pull out of my driveway. It's sloped uphill and had about 2 to 3 inches of new snow. I had my car in "Snow" and could not get out. I slid back down to the bottom and almost took out my fence Finally managed to get out in low gear.

Got the new tires on and drove home in new snow coming down. It feels like a different car, and I couldn't be happier. No fishtailing, no sliding and hitting curbs on turns, and the braking is better. I've got confidence in my car again and my knuckles have returned to their original color.

Thank you to everyone for your suggestions and recommendations and for not making me feel like an idiot
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Glad the LTX's are working out for you. Also glad we could help. Jeep Garage is a community of really good folks who enjoy helping out fellow Jeep owners.
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So researched both tires and others. Both the Michelin and Nokian as mentioned in this thread had excellent reviews. I am in Michigan and was very surprised that I could not find Nokian tires sold in the three different tire stores I called. One store said they could order them, but I didn't want to wait so I went with Michelin LTX M/S2's.



Going to the tire store, I attempted to pull out of my driveway. It's sloped uphill and had about 2 to 3 inches of new snow. I had my car in "Snow" and could not get out. I slid back down to the bottom and almost took out my fence Finally managed to get out in low gear.



Got the new tires on and drove home in new snow coming down. It feels like a different car, and I couldn't be happier. No fishtailing, no sliding and hitting curbs on turns, and the braking is better. I've got confidence in my car again and my knuckles have returned to their original color.



Thank you to everyone for your suggestions and recommendations and for not making me feel like an idiot

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So researched both tires and others. Both the Michelin and Nokian as mentioned in this thread had excellent reviews. I am in Michigan and was very surprised that I could not find Nokian tires sold in the three different tire stores I called. One store said they could order them, but I didn't want to wait so I went with Michelin LTX M/S2's.

Going to the tire store, I attempted to pull out of my driveway. It's sloped uphill and had about 2 to 3 inches of new snow. I had my car in "Snow" and could not get out. I slid back down to the bottom and almost took out my fence Finally managed to get out in low gear.

Got the new tires on and drove home in new snow coming down. It feels like a different car, and I couldn't be happier. No fishtailing, no sliding and hitting curbs on turns, and the braking is better. I've got confidence in my car again and my knuckles have returned to their original color.

Thank you to everyone for your suggestions and recommendations and for not making me feel like an idiot
Jeep Garage members to the rescue. You did good. This is one of the most interesting and helpful posts (for others with the stock Michelins) that I've ever read on here. Happy to see your good results on snow now.
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