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Old 07-21-2013, 08:03 AM
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I was told a story by a VW dealership (it was several years ago so hopefully my facts are still good) that I think will end up applying here: the 2006 VW passat V6 engine was made in 2 different plants. After several years a number of V6 passats were suffering from engine failure. VW investigated and realized they had a new tech who worked in one of the engine plants in Germany for 2 months. One of his duties was to put loctite on a specific bolt (I believe it was the bolt that held on an oil pump). He had forgotten he had to do that-so every car made in those two months was prone to failure, but only some did as external factors were needed to cause the bolt to come loose. I bet that will be the case here, a batch of bad ATF fluid or a guy in assembly who didn't so something correctly. But mine goes in to the dealership again Tuesday. If they say its normal I might ask for an ATF flush and report back if it makes any difference.
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Old 07-21-2013, 08:53 AM
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"many internal parts do not interchange between the 845RE and 8HP45"

(Milous style hint)
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Has anyone spent enough time in both the V6 and V8 to feel the differences in shifting? Like smoothness, noise that kind of stuff.

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Re: If your 8spd trans is rough, put your hand up

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"many internal parts do not interchange between the 845RE and 8HP45"

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in other words the transmissions are not the same and the V6 may have design and/or manufacturing issues
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Anyone with a rough shifting transmission care to make a video? I wouldn't say mines rough but I do feel a light clunk/hear when I'm at very low speeds I'll make a video. To me it feels like play in the driveline which I would think is normal for a 4x4. Now where to mount the gopro cam for best results? I think I feel the clunk in the rear of the vehicle.

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Old 07-21-2013, 12:52 PM
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the transmissions are not the same
...as even the ZF made 8 speed of the same input torque specification...and there is some value in the VW story.
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Old 07-21-2013, 01:43 PM
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Re: If your 8spd trans is rough, put your hand up

My 2012 WK2 with the 65RFE trans was just like this.. Rough to shift, shifting under load was slower than a newbie driving a stick-shift, the trans didn't shift down when I needed to kickdown the accel. pedal.

Then after having Jeep service try to find it on multiple occasions, they ended up screwing with my air suspension causing messages like, "air suspension system cooling down." "Immediate repair/inspection of the air suspension required." etc etc.

Finally I ended up calling the Bickell Lawfirm and lemoning the car. I didn't sign up buy a shop queen when I bought this car. I had an 05 Audi A4 that was just like this and cost me 12k in service.. sold that. Now I am not going back to a shop queen. Ended up buying a Lexus GX, just as capable, twice the luxury, and none of the problems!
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Re: If your 8spd trans is rough, put your hand up

So to recap here is what I am reading

only 47 or some small number of problems that is hardly worth putting a lot of attention on as their are bigger fish to fry.

Dealers trying to convince customer this is normal and they should accept it the way it is.

Problems are more associated with the south (May just take more time to show up else where but nobody knows as the causes of the issue(s) still seems to be unknown).

Owners are hiring attorneys or thinking about hiring attorneys due to the shifting issues.

People on this board say it may just be a software issue or may have other causes as well. Either way owners need to be patient about a solution whether jeep is actively finding a solution or not. This is not more helpful than a dealer telling an owner to go home and learn to live with it.

I do not see This is going to get better by itself. While there are other issues on a new introduction like this most of what I read seems solvable. The vehicle has many good attributes imo.

BUT, jeep seems like they could greatly benefit by identifying and solving these shifting issues quickly and Notifying dealers to document and report all customer complaints. Providing information to owners (other than what dealers say) may also be rather helpful.

Owners have 3 or more ways to get Jeeps attention from my undersatnding.

1. Complain to their dealers that may tell them they are crazy as it is functioning normally
2. Complain on this or other forum. Although some indicate jeep does not pay attention to this forum which I would view as a big mistake. This is not 1980 the internet is here to stay.
3. Hirer an attorney if appropriate under the lemon law which jeep will not be able to ignore from my understanding.

I would strongly encourage jeep to help improve 1 and 2 above before owners start thinking 3 looks like a pretty reasonable alternative. But nobody may care about my opinions stated here on this matter.
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Old 07-21-2013, 04:55 PM
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Re: If your 8spd trans is rough, put your hand up

I don't think Will was saying (or meant to say) that there was an actual count of 47 complaints. He was pointing out that if the number of complaints are "relatively" small that the problem would not be a top priority.

There are a lot of posts about this problem, but not every post is a specific new complaint. And, even some who are complaining may not have a serious problem. We know that when a problem is discussed many people will start looking for it. So even here the number is possibly much smaller than the impression.



There is at least one other way to complain, and that is to call Jeep directly. They have even started making follow up phone calls to see how you were treated and if the problem was solved. Jeep, I've heard, even has a Facebook page where you can leave comments.

A few folks here are carrying some info back to Jeep.


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It is ridiculous, but if it solves your problem in less time than it takes to complain about it, isn't it ridiculous not to give it a try? It doesn't matter how much the car costs.


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I have a V6 Summit and just did the battery reset trick earlier today. It has worked wonders so far, but time will tell. Shifts are Much smoother, the most noticeable change is on launch/takeoff and engine breaking/coasting to a stop. These were the problem areas for me. Hope this was the magic bullet.

This was on ECO mode which I promptly turn off at startup. Hopefully I won't have to do that anymore as it drove fine after the reset.
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Old 07-21-2013, 05:48 PM
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I don't think Will was saying (or meant to say) that there was an actual count of 47 complaints. He was pointing out that if the number of complaints are "relatively" small that the problem would not be a top priority.

There are a lot of posts about this problem, but not every post is a specific new complaint. And, even some who are complaining may not have a serious problem. We know that when a problem is discussed many people will start looking for it. So even here the number is possibly much smaller than the impression.

There is at least one other way to complain, and that is to call Jeep directly. They have even started making follow up phone calls to see how you were treated and if the problem was solved. Jeep, I've heard, even has a Facebook page where you can leave comments.

A few folks here are carrying some info back to Jeep.

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Bill is on the right track folks and I feel like I am doing the broken record here.

Group 1 - Many people have good V6 transmissions = ok

Group 2 - Some people have some minor complaints about shifts = programming update but not urgent

Group 3 - Some people have some serious issues and are getting mixed up at the dears with group 2 otherwise they would get fixed because TRANSMISSIONS ARE BEING REPAIRED!!!!!

There is no epidemic here. Yes there are some people with problems. Also by now you should realize that I would never share an actual confidential number or stat on a forum in public. I am trying to give you guys some good info from what I do know and can share. Use the tools, I have laid it out and to use Bill's favorite term, if your dealer is a service TURD MONKEY, find another dealer who is really good and buy a car from them some day and tell them it is because of good service! This will change the "dealerscape" (another term I may patent) in time, don't have good service, sell no cars, go out of business.... Can you imagine???
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Old 07-21-2013, 06:00 PM
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Re: If your 8spd trans is rough, put your hand up

One thing I would add is it's not just the V6 that have the shifting issues. The V8 has them also they may not be the same issues or as many as the V6 but they are there and I hope Jeep is looking at those as well.
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