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Re: If your 8spd trans is rough, put your hand up

Same here. 2014 limited v6
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Re: If your 8spd trans is rough, put your hand up

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I have driven another Overland V6, and it does drive differently. The problem was that the other Overland had only a few miles. From what I read, the problem just gets worse and worse as time goes on. I am not going to sit around and wait for something to get worse considering my head jerks when it shifts down/up. That's ridiculous to take that kind of attitude that I'll just have to wait on it for an update. The right stance is to be pissed off that pathetic Jeep put out a vehicle that doesn't even work right and are expecting owners to "wait" for an update.

I don't appreciate your crappy patronizing tone toward me about "have I driven an 8 speed transmission before." Regardless whether I have or not, it should be shifting smooth, and not having problems like hundreds/thousands of other Jeep owners are having. However, yes I have driven an 8 speed transmission: made by BMW and that was like butter. I never once even felt the shifting!

Regarding the air suspension message: I have had it thrown more than just twice. I throws it a great deal: when I am not using it: and it is very cool outside. Excuse me for not being a complacent doormat about this issue like you. When a vehicle throws an error message, that's alarming especially with only 1k miles on it. Moreover, maybe you have the money to throw around if this car keeps breaking down over time once the warranty is over, but I don't. Plus, I expect a better performing vehicle, especially one with only 1k miles. These two issues are only two of the many I am having to include the remote start, uconnect issues, etc. Maybe you are happy with a half piece of crap vehicle for almost 50k, but I am not.
I really don't know what your talking about I have not been patronizing at all. I just asked if you had driven another one, but your response here explains everything about you. I bet your dealer just loves seeing you coming. At a thousand miles your nowhere near the warranty running out so I'm not really sure what your worry is there. In case you didn't know the 8 speed is the same ZF unit that BMW uses just so you know.
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Re: If your 8spd trans is rough, put your hand up

Well excuse me JP for assuming you were being condescending/patronizing since you almost had an air of "let it be until it breaks" tone, or that I assumed that you were trying to convey an attitude. I apologize if that was not your intention. I don't want it to break down in the middle of no where or only with a few 100 miles left on the warranty. Quite frankly, it shouldn't break down at all (that's the real goal and shouldn't be any lower standard than that), and if I can get it solved by putting pressure on the dealer/Chrysler to get on the ball with fixing their crappy mistakes, then so be it. I am not just going to sit idly by while they use me as a guinea pig. I didn't pay almost 50k for a vehicle that's as crappy as a cheap 15k vehicle. I was going to say kia/hyundai but honestly they've stepped up their game, they are better than Chrysler/Jeep. Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge/Ram are the representation of quality pieces of crap (take notice: new recall just came out for the Jeep/Ram), and it's not getting any better with the 14 GC.

If it is the same transmission as the BMW, then Jeep sure as crap screwed it to all high heaven because there is a huge difference (in case you haven't driven a BMW). I wouldn't expect Jeep to be on the same page as BMW, but I don't know how they could have screwed it up that much.
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Re: If your 8spd trans is rough, put your hand up

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you have no idea what you are talking about. I am not going to get into linguistics with you. The way he utilized his language clearly indicated he was trying to be sarcastic by asking me if I ever had driven an 8 speed transmission. He was not trying to help. He was basically telling me to "deal with it" and let it break down and then get it fixed: rather than having Jeep own up to their mistakes.

Your the one that doesn't what your talking about. I was just saying if its shifting the way its programmed to shift then there is nothing the dealer is going to be able to do without a software update from Chrysler. I had something I posted that I didn't like about it, but its not going to change unless a tsb comes out because that's the way its setup. I was not trying to be sarcastic at all so I think you need to lighten up. Just because you can feel it shift does not mean there is a problem and it doesn't mean your going to have a break down.
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Re: If your 8spd trans is rough, put your hand up

JP, You are right. I'll lighten up. However, just because my transmission does shift hard doesn't mean it isn't an indication of being something worse. There are those on here who started with rough shifting transmission and it broke down. Given the track record of Jeep, I can't assume its going to be just as simple as a programming fix. I have to ensure to check all the bases.

Second: it has been advertised throughout everything that this "wonderful transmission" is so "smooth" and like "butter." Thus, if there is a rough shifting transmission, then something isn't right. I doubt very seriously that Jeep would make something to be rough shifting. No car company would make a transmission like that. Thus, there is a problem, and I am not going to sit around for a year or so for them to dick around and come up with a fix. You buy a vehicle for it's performance and enjoyment, and if it has so many problems you can enjoy it and it doesn't perform up to standard (when comparing with other companies) then something is wrong, and that's not fair to the consumer.

So excuse me for not being the mediocre slack lazy person that's just going to trust a car company with a track record like Jeep to come up with a fix immediately or at all. You'll thank me and others like me who push Jeep to not only fix the current problems with the vehicle but to be proactive with trying to better their products without waiting for something to go wrong.
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Re: If your 8spd trans is rough, put your hand up

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JP, You are right. I'll lighten up. However, just because my transmission does shift hard doesn't mean it isn't an indication of being something worse. There are those on here who started with rough shifting transmission and it broke down. Given the track record of Jeep, I can't assume its going to be just as simple as a programming fix. I have to ensure to check all the bases.

Second: it has been advertised throughout everything that this "wonderful transmission" is so "smooth" and like "butter." Thus, if there is a rough shifting transmission, then something isn't right. I doubt very seriously that Jeep would make something to be rough shifting. No car company would make a transmission like that. Thus, there is a problem, and I am not going to sit around for a year or so for them to dick around and come up with a fix. You buy a vehicle for it's performance and enjoyment, and if it has so many problems you can enjoy it and it doesn't perform up to standard (when comparing with other companies) then something is wrong, and that's not fair to the consumer.

So excuse me for not being the mediocre slack lazy person that's just going to trust a car company with a track record like Jeep to come up with a fix immediately or at all. You'll thank me and others like me who push Jeep to not only fix the current problems with the vehicle but to be proactive with trying to better their products without waiting for something to go wrong.

Why would you buy from a company with such a horrible track record? If its a software issue you will have to wait. If its software replacing the whole transmission won't change anything. I have a ford fusion also that I use for work and when I first got it would slip shifting from 2nd to 3rd when it was cold. I took it in the dealer felt it and called fords tech line and they were told it was normal at that time. A year later ford came out with a tsb for the 2nd to 3rd shift flare they call it. It was a reprogramming issue and that was the fix. So even if the dealer would have replaced my transmission I still would have had that issue because it was a software issue. Now Ford I'm sure did not intend for it to come on the marker doing this but it was just something that happens.
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I have a CRD (Australia) '14 and I'm having problems with my down shifting from second to first .. Kinda feels like I'm being rear ended coming to a stop .. like its changing too late and going to stall or something?

Spoke to the dealer and I was told its normal from the compression ratio :-/ ... Yeah ... Assuming there will be a software update at some point, right?


Eco mode I'm not a fan of but other than that I don't mind the 8spd, does what it needs to do and is smooth and responsive
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Re: If your 8spd trans is rough, put your hand up

I bought a Jeep because 1) the reviews, and 2) because I wanted off road utility. I honestly knew I was going to take a hit in some reliability or service, but didn't think it was going to be this bad.

You are right, IF it is a software issue, replacing it now won't help. However, like I indicated on my last post, there is no guarantee it is JUST a software issue.

We can get into Ford and their decision to keep putting the same transmission year after year without fixing it, but that would be for a different forum, and not my point.

I hope it doesn't take a year for Jeep to get a flash update for the transmission. It better not because there is a difference between a cheap fusion and a 50k Grand Cherokee Overland. The problem is that Jeep is acting like Ford at this point rather than taking responsibility. That's the real truth and the bottom line, and you can't argue your way around that point.
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Re: If your 8spd trans is rough, put your hand up

Bretto,

I have the same experiences: not very pleasant! That is what I am trying to show the dealers. If it is all just a software issue, then yes I hope there will be an update. However, I hope it will be shorter than it took them for the 11-13s.

I like the eco mode because I think I do notice a difference in gas mileage; however, I don't like how long it holds some of the speeds. Yet, I have a problem with the jerkiness in and out of eco mode. Is that the same for you?
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Bretto,

I have the same experiences: not very pleasant! That is what I am trying to show the dealers. If it is all just a software issue, then yes I hope there will be an update. However, I hope it will be shorter than it took them for the 11-13s.

I like the eco mode because I think I do notice a difference in gas mileage; however, I don't like how long it holds some of the speeds. Yet, I have a problem with the jerkiness in and out of eco mode. Is that the same for you?
Yeah both Eco and 'normal' mode I get this problem.

Eco I didn't find any fuel savings when I used it and in fact I kid you not My mileage dropped to 9.5 around town from 9.7 when I turned Eco off after experimenting one day last week

Really hope there is an update or a fix ASAP , it's actually embarrassing when people think it's your fault :-/
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That's city 2.5 gallon - 62 mile .. Just for a little fan fact

And the best my diesel gets is 1.98 to 62mile highway ..
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Re: If your 8spd trans is rough, put your hand up

Bretto,

Yeah I feel ya. I know. When I am surrounded by cars and it jerks all the time, it is embarrassing. I feel as though people are laughing at me etc, which I shouldn't be put in that situation.

I do hope there is a fix real soon as well. Although, not to be pessimistic, as much as I am seeing other people have major problems (like a complete suspension failure) and Jeep dropping the ball with a complete lack of service on those issues, I wouldn't hold my breath. However, if enough people call/email corporate and put pressure on them, it might come quicker. Yet, don't sit idly by and trust them to do their job, I don't think that's in Jeeps mantra (after reading literally hundreds of people's posts of problems and Jeep's responses or the lack thereof).

That's interesting about the eco mode being a drop in gas mileage. I haven't noticed that yet. However, I generally drive in eco mode most of the time. Now that you mention it, I think for some highway driving with some hills, off eco mode did seem to produce better "instant" gas mileage. Probably because the car utilized a higher gear on eco for going over those hills and thus took longer to actually get over those hills: still utilizing more power than it would have without eco (strange how that works!).
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