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Old 05-30-2011, 12:44 PM
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Re: Is this method of Locking yourself out universal?

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Perhaps that's the reason you could lock yourself out, since the second fob was in range?
I've locked my keys in and the vehicle started honking when I walked away. No issues (and no second fob close by) getting back in and wasn't locked out.
I know when i press the inside driver or passenger side door lock button and leave the keyfob in the car and get out it honks and unlocks, but my question to you is did you use the KeyFob button itself to lock the doors with one door open and standing next to jeep or sitting inside, then throw the keyfob on the seat or put in center cupholder before you touch the outside handle to shut the door? and yes second key fob far out of range in the house.

I can even press the KeyFob lock button standing next to jeep with door open, throw KeyFob on seat, then touch the handle while the door is open and it won't unlock. So I already know if I shut the door, it's still not going to unlock. but I do shut it anyways and get locked out.
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Re: Is this method of Locking yourself out universal?

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start your car, walk away till the evic says "key not in range" then have someone get in and try to drive away... my bet is that it will not allow the prndl to come out of park... I am assuming that she had it in drive before you were out of range. Personally even if what I said is the case, the vehicle should stop running reguardless if the key is not present.
No it will never stop due to FOB out of range nor will it prevent a drive away once it's started with the FOB in proximity. It's the way the systems operate and have on the last 3 I've had. I imagine it's a required fail safe to prevent unintended stoppage in the event the system loses communication with a FOB while underway.
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Re: Is this method of Locking yourself out universal?

Yes, this method to lock yourself out works for me
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Re: Is this method of Locking yourself out universal?

So if we are driving a car with a key and normal door locks (hypothetically speaking ) and we start the car, get out, and lock the doors - what happens?

I really do not understand why this is such a problem for people. Treat the key fob like a normal key and all of these problems go away. If you leave the car, take the key/fob with you. Why would you throw your keys inside a car, lock it from the outside, and then wonder why your stuff is locked inside?
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Re: Is this method of Locking yourself out universal?

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So if we are driving a car with a key and normal door locks (hypothetically speaking ) and we start the car, get out, and lock the doors - what happens?

I really do not understand why this is such a problem for people. Treat the key fob like a normal key and all of these problems go away. If you leave the car, take the key/fob with you. Why would you throw your keys inside a car, lock it from the outside, and then wonder why your stuff is locked inside?
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't it advertised that keyfob cannot be locked in the vehicle?
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Re: Is this method of Locking yourself out universal?

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Correct me if I am wrong but isn't it advertised that keyfob cannot be locked in the vehicle?
I have no idea. It sounds pretty dumb to say that though. That means anyone can walk up to you in your locked vehicle and just open the door. I kinda like the fact that it works the way it does. Just keep the key with you like in the old days and everything is cool.
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Re: Is this method of Locking yourself out universal?

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I have no idea. It sounds pretty dumb to say that though. That means anyone can walk up to you in your locked vehicle and just open the door. I kinda like the fact that it works the way it does. Just keep the key with you like in the old days and everything is cool.
But this isn't the old days. My wife keeps the key in her purse and never takes it out for anything. Yet she unlocks the door with the waive of her hand, and hits a button to start the car. All without ever seeing the key. So, yes, it should be that you can't lock the FOB inside the car because sometimes you may forget it is on you or you leave your purse in the car, and you can then "lock" the car technically without ever having the key on you. So it doesn't work like the old days at all. Our Audi works the right way, you can't lock the FOB inside of the car. As it should be since this is 2011 and not everyone physically uses the key to start/stop the car or lock/unlock the doors. Unfortunately with the Jeep this is possible and my wife has locked herself out before, leaving her purse in the car, to my disappointment that this is possible with the Jeep.
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Old 05-31-2011, 03:02 PM
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Re: Is this method of Locking yourself out universal?

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Correct me if I am wrong but isn't it advertised that keyfob cannot be locked in the vehicle?
I don't know if they say it CAN'T happen (the moment you engineer something to be foolproof, along comes a better fool, so never say never), but the way the system is designed you either need something to fail or to "trick" it as described. The sensors that pick up the key may not be able to discern inside/outside all that well when the fob is in the door itself.

The solution is simple. Don't keep the fob in the door. If you MUST remove it from your pocket/purse/whatever, place it in a center console cupholder.

The keyless go system is a modern convenience. It isn't any more foolproof than a regular key. Nothing can solve 100% of lockout issues a consumer might have; there's a limit to the number of sensors it's worthwhile to put in the thing. I guarantee you'll always be able to find some weakness in any system; it's a matter of understanding how the system works and avoiding those potential weaknesses.
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Re: Is this method of Locking yourself out universal?

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Correct me if I am wrong but isn't it advertised that keyfob cannot be locked in the vehicle?
No. The system protects against only a single case. From the owner's manual, page 37:

"To minimize the possibility of unintentionally locking a Passive Entry RKE transmitter inside your vehicle, the Passive Entry system is equipped with an automatic door unlock feature which will function if there is no Key Fob present in the ignition.

"If one of the vehicle doors is open and the door panel switch is used to lock the vehicle, once all open doors have been closed, the vehicle checks the inside and outside of the vehicle for any valid Passive Entry RKE transmitters. If one of the vehicle’s Passive Entry RKE transmitters is detected inside the vehicle, and no other valid Passive Entry RKE transmitters is detected outside the vehicle, the Passive Entry System automatically unlocks all vehicle doors and chirps the horn three times (on the third attempt ALL doors will lock and the Passive Entry RKE transmitter can be locked in the vehicle)."

The only protection is against leaving the fob inside and using the lock button on the door. If you lock up by pushing a button on the FOB, the car assumes you know what you're doing.
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Re: Is this method of Locking yourself out universal?

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No. The system protects against only a single case. From the owner's manual, page 37:

"To minimize the possibility of unintentionally locking a Passive Entry RKE transmitter inside your vehicle, the Passive Entry system is equipped with an automatic door unlock feature which will function if there is no Key Fob present in the ignition.

"If one of the vehicle doors is open and the door panel switch is used to lock the vehicle, once all open doors have been closed, the vehicle checks the inside and outside of the vehicle for any valid Passive Entry RKE transmitters. If one of the vehicle’s Passive Entry RKE transmitters is detected inside the vehicle, and no other valid Passive Entry RKE transmitters is detected outside the vehicle, the Passive Entry System automatically unlocks all vehicle doors and chirps the horn three times (on the third attempt ALL doors will lock and the Passive Entry RKE transmitter can be locked in the vehicle)."

The only protection is against leaving the fob inside and using the lock button on the door. If you lock up by pushing a button on the FOB, the car assumes you know what you're doing.
This makes sense
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Re: Is this method of Locking yourself out universal?

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But this isn't the old days. My wife keeps the key in her purse and never takes it out for anything. Yet she unlocks the door with the waive of her hand, and hits a button to start the car. All without ever seeing the key. So, yes, it should be that you can't lock the FOB inside the car because sometimes you may forget it is on you or you leave your purse in the car, and you can then "lock" the car technically without ever having the key on you. So it doesn't work like the old days at all. Our Audi works the right way, you can't lock the FOB inside of the car. As it should be since this is 2011 and not everyone physically uses the key to start/stop the car or lock/unlock the doors. Unfortunately with the Jeep this is possible and my wife has locked herself out before, leaving her purse in the car, to my disappointment that this is possible with the Jeep.
As per the following description, with the addition that if the sensors do not detect a FOB on the outside of the vehicle pressing the lock button on the door handle will NOT lock the car (I tested, it doesn't lock) then the way your wife uses the FOB she cannot lock the FOB inside the car. The ONLY way she could do that would be to press the lock button on the FOB which you state she never touches.

Maybe your Audi worked different than my VW but my Touareg seemed to work the same way as the WK2, pressing the lock button on the FOB overrode the safeguard.

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No. The system protects against only a single case. From the owner's manual, page 37:

"To minimize the possibility of unintentionally locking a Passive Entry RKE transmitter inside your vehicle, the Passive Entry system is equipped with an automatic door unlock feature which will function if there is no Key Fob present in the ignition.

"If one of the vehicle doors is open and the door panel switch is used to lock the vehicle, once all open doors have been closed, the vehicle checks the inside and outside of the vehicle for any valid Passive Entry RKE transmitters. If one of the vehicle’s Passive Entry RKE transmitters is detected inside the vehicle, and no other valid Passive Entry RKE transmitters is detected outside the vehicle, the Passive Entry System automatically unlocks all vehicle doors and chirps the horn three times (on the third attempt ALL doors will lock and the Passive Entry RKE transmitter can be locked in the vehicle)."

The only protection is against leaving the fob inside and using the lock button on the door. If you lock up by pushing a button on the FOB, the car assumes you know what you're doing.
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Re: Is this method of Locking yourself out universal?

I like the idea you can lock the doors with the fob inside.
Imagine if a carjacker has a knife and grabs your doors and they unlock, your in traffic cant drive off.
You would wish your doors stayed locked.
If you want your doors never to lock while the fob is inside this is what you must weigh up.
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