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Re: JEEP Engineers suck!

I love the design of the GC. and no problems after 8 months of ownership. I'm even considering not buying the Maxcare warranty.
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I love the design of the GC. and no problems after 8 months of ownership. I'm even considering not buying the Maxcare warranty.
Fine, if you don't have QL.
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Re: JEEP Engineers suck!

You can always mount it on a roof rack carrier or a swing out tire rack.
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Re: JEEP Engineers suck!

I get a kick out of all the responses from my guess "new Jeep owners" this is my 6th Grand Cherokee and the only one that a full size spare never was offered, or fit. I knew when they built this one it would appeal to women more than previous generations and it is obvious here.
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Re: JEEP Engineers suck!

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You just said the 20" wheel fits shiny side up?
But the Jack kit doesn't and the wheel can't be secured down, but you thought of that already
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:48 PM
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I get a kick out of all the responses from my guess "new Jeep owners" this is my 6th Grand Cherokee and the only one that a full size spare never was offered, or fit. I knew when they built this one it would appeal to women more than previous generations and it is obvious here.
Irish, some manufactures these days don't even bother with the spare. They simply include a self repair pressure can to get you on your way to get the tyre repaired or replaced.

If you consider the number of cars manufactured worldwide each with a spare and then consider how many times that spare is used, for the city dweller, it makes great sense not to bother with a spare at all, I'd take the can option any day. The bonus is more boot space! Of course if you're going offroad you'll need 2 spares....

We are looking at upgrading my wife's car with an Audi and guess what....No Spare Included, just a can! You'll be seeing a lot of this with many manufacturers.

BTW, not sure about your comment re this model being more appealing to women, this is the first Jeep that has caught my attention and I think it's right on the money! I've come from a fully optioned Prado, I also export many new 200 Series Landcruisers around the world, I'd take this Jeep any day (and did!) even with massive Toyota discounts at my disposal.

Could it be this generation Jeep has finally "come of age" and you're not liking it 1 bit? Yes, it's not perfect......but show me a mass produced car that is!
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Re: JEEP Engineers suck!

"a full size spare never was offered, or fit." Not true, a full sized steel spare is standard with the trailer towing package. It is "one size fits all", a 245/65/18 on a steel wheel with a 110 load rating and an "H" speed rating. This is the same diameter as the road wheels and tires.

I can understand why the 20 might not fit particulary if the section width is noticably greater.

Will say that I do not appreciate the title. Am a GMI grad an know the pressures an automotive engineer is under to meet the requirements of both the beancounters and the marketeers.

Most vehicles of this type have the spare slung under the chassis and drops out the bottom. IRS and the two seat design make this impossible (see the DUrango). Others have it in a rear side cavity but that is where the subwoofer goes (driver's side has the fuel filler).

Another factor is cost. Body molds are expensive, very expensive and odds are the 20" wheel/tire was not in the criteria the design engineers were handed.

Frankly I would like to have a "compact" rear spare for normal duty and carry the full size only when towing, would add some hidden storage space & also have another use for one but wouldn't give over a Benjamin for one. If someone wnts to defray part of the replacement cost of a full size, let me know.

Will admit that one of the advantages of being an engineer/programmer is that it gives you an insight into how certain things had to have been done and why oddball things were that way. Often has nothing to do with engineering.

Take the instument cluster (please). An interior design person was probably told to make it look "hidden" but was constrained by having to use the same basic cluster as many other lines (beancounters) so was limited to colors.

At the same time the aero people made a windscreen that wraps far overhead and the dash "eyebrow" was limited by the range of the tilt and telescopic wheel. Add in an obscure regulation (was told there is one, have not found it) that limits the tinting of the windscreen and you have a recipe for disaster (someday will tell the tale of how the steering column position, moved silghtly to clear an a/c duct, made it impossible to change two spark plugs on my Sunbird without unbolting the engine mount and jacking the whole engine up).

Possibly approval was given by over six footers during a midwestern winter. Result, on a bright day & driven by less height advantaged people who learned to drive with arms out and semi-reclining, the glare makes the dials illegible. It does look great in the showroom though.
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Re: JEEP Engineers suck!

For the record the Engineers that did the 99-04 WJ thought about the spare, as the limited came with Rim matching spares, because the 247 xfer case was so damn sensitive to differences in tire sizes. I did same thing bought a rim matching spare for $20 of a guy in a parking lot lol.

Granted they didn't exactly think about the gas tank diaper bag on the WJ tho.
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I get a kick out of all the responses from my guess "new Jeep owners" this is my 6th Grand Cherokee and the only one that a full size spare never was offered, or fit. I knew when they built this one it would appeal to women more than previous generations and it is obvious here.
So in just a few brief posts you've managed to insult Jeep engineers and WK2 owners...on a Jeep forum...nice. Jeep guy, car guy, whatever; I wouldn't leave anything to chance when making a large purchase like a new wheel/tire, so it sounds like you're just blowing off steam after a "duh" moment. As others have said, you're lucky you get a spare these days. And a full size spare is offered. Just because it's not a 20" wheel/tire doesn't mean it's not full size.

Adding more space in the spare tire well would require them to either take away storage space in the underfloor area, raise the load floor and take away space in the cargo area, or lower the vehicle floor. And that might make room for the optional 265 tire and 20x8" wheel combo, but the SRT8 guys would still be upset that their 295 tire and 20x10" wheel combo wouldn't fit. But being such a Jeep guy, I'm sure you thought all of those things through

Edit: looks like padgett already said it better.
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So in just a few brief posts you've managed to insult Jeep engineers and WK2 owners...on a Jeep forum...nice. Jeep guy, car guy, whatever; I wouldn't leave anything to chance when making a large purchase like a new wheel/tire, so it sounds like you're just blowing off steam after a "duh" moment. As others have said, you're lucky you get a spare these days. And a full size spare is offered. Just because it's not a 20" wheel/tire doesn't mean it's not full size.

Adding more space in the spare tire well would require them to either take away storage space in the underfloor area, raise the load floor and take away space in the cargo area, or lower the vehicle floor. And that might make room for the optional 265 tire and 20x8" wheel combo, but the SRT8 guys would still be upset that their 295 tire and 20x10" wheel combo wouldn't fit. But being such a Jeep guy, I'm sure you thought all of those things through

Edit: looks like padgett already said it better.

IRISH is all butt hurt now but he is from Alberta, they're very sensitive people

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Re: JEEP Engineers suck!

Am curious. "would appeal to women" - this is bad, how ? If you look, demand is out of sight and is reflected by the NADA (not the KBB) values. Suspect I could sell my '12 for more than I paid for it (part of the reason I bought a new 12 was because a used '11 with 8-10k miles was only a few hundred less & have been increases since).

I have had a lot of cars and enjoyed every one, even the FIAT 850R coupe but have been hearing impaired for a long time. Have had Jags and Vegas, a FIAT 124 Spyder I really liked and Corvettes (multiple). Silliest was a V8 Sunbird, one of 63 built, that surprised a lot of Porsches in Solo II. Swapped it for a set of wheels.

Have always had a place for technologically interesting cars that flopped, usually for something stupid that had an easy fix (Rochester FI 'vettes had a bad reputation for not starting easily, added a cranking signal valve and mine started instantly. Of course the Delcotronic ignition helped. Bought more than one for $50 and a Holley.)

Occasionally I buy a new car like the '70 Buick GS on my return from SEA. GS/muncie/ramair/posi/dog bone Dunlops on 15x17s/full instrumentation. Also a/c, ps, pdb, pw, a/c, console, deluxe wheel. Then there was the GTO wagon.

So was suprised when a friend wh0 knew I was looking for something "interesting" to replace my current tow car suggested I look at Jeep. DOHC/FI/VVT made the powerplant interesting. Broad torque curve made a five speed lockup "enough", traction control, 5,000 lb towing for when I pull an ophan home.

Also good looking & comfortable & all the toys I wanted - something stylish enough I can take a date to a nice restaurant (not all ladies like a low 'vert) & toss the fobic to a valet.

Going a long way around to say that I consider "would appeal to women" a plus. What I consider very good MPG and no troubles (a few annoyances in work) atol. My kind of car.

Apparently the market does also.

ps still totally disagree with the thread title.
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But the Jack kit doesn't and the wheel can't be secured down, but you thought of that already
Well just cry about it then. I would assume you would have thought about this already and investigated before making the purchase if it was such a big deal to you!
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