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Old 06-23-2016, 09:04 PM
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Re: Jeep recalling 1.1 million shifters

Dealer called me two days ago informing me they were ready to apply the recall. I scheduled an appointment for today. Thought I'd share for those interested.

They do 4 flashes with this recall. The PCM, TCM, IPC and the Shift lever. I had been experiencing shifting issues from 1-2 when the vehicle was cold and sitting for a while. By virtue of the TCM flash it seems to have worked it self out.

This is from the yellow addendum you'll get for your owners manual.


If the vehicle is not in park and driver presses the ignition switch to turn off the engine the vehicle auto parks.

Auto Park will engage under these conditions. Vehicle not in park, speed is 1.2 MPH or less, ignition switch is pressed.

If the vehicle is not in Park and driver exits the vehicle with the engine running, the vehicle will auto park.

Auto park engages under these conditions: Vehicle is not in Park, Speed is 1.2 MPH or less, drivers seat belt is unbuckled, driver's door is ajar, brake pedal is not depressed.

If the driver attempts to shift into park while moving the vehicle may auto park.

Auto park will engage ONLY when the vehicle speed is 1.2 MPH or less within 5 seconds of the shift to park request.

The message Vehicle Speed is too high to shift will display in the eVIC if speed is above 1.2 MPH

If conditions are not met which allow the vehicle to engage park within 5 seconds of the request, driver will need to request park again.

Warning: if vehicle speed is not below 1.2 mph within 5 seconds of the request, the transmission will default to neutral. Vehicle left in neutral position can roll if left unattended. As an added precaution, always apply the parking break.

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Auto park engages under these conditions: Vehicle is not in Park, Speed is 1.2 MPH or less, drivers seat belt is unbuckled, driver's door is ajar, brake pedal is not depressed.
Thanks for the update Jay - When I pull into my garage, I open the drivers door and use the kickplate to line up the against a line on the garage floor so I can park precisely. Based on the update, will the car go into auto park as soon as I open the door?
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Thanks for the update Jay - When I pull into my garage, I open the drivers door and use the kickplate to line up the against a line on the garage floor so I can park precisely. Based on the update, will the car go into auto park as soon as I open the door?
Instead of doing that, you can buy what they call a "parking mat", which you place on the floor under one of your front wheels, It has two bumps on it where you get your tire between the two. Go on walmarts website. They are about $15. Been using them for years. Always get my vehicles in the same exact spot every time I pull in the garage.
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Re: Jeep recalling 1.1 million shifters

[QUOTE=jaybo41;1300792]Dealer called me two days ago informing me they were ready to apply the recall. I scheduled an appointment for today. Thought I'd share for those interested.

They do 4 flashes with this recall. The PCM, TCM, IPC and the Shift lever. I had been experiencing shifting issues from 1-2 when the vehicle was cold and sitting for a while. By virtue of the TCM flash it seems to have worked it self out.

Thanks for the detail. Please let us know if you continue to see the improvement of your hard shift problem. I wasn't going to get the recall as I am satisfied with the shifter, however, I continue to have harsh shifts where the dealer has tried numerous solutions only for the problem to reappear. I may just get the recall performed if it will cure my shift problem.
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Re: Jeep recalling 1.1 million shifters

After I got the recall update I noticed a few updates to my 14's EVIC that I like: the time display (or I guess whatever you have in the corners probably) in the top right corner is larger; a few icons were changed/added that look nice; and when you set the cruise control or adjust it +/-, it actually tells you the speed the cruise control is set to - although it seems to be aligned for three digit MPH speeds instead of two, so it's slightly off-center when you're cruising along at a two-digit MPH speed. Which for me, and hopefully everyone else, is always.
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Re: Jeep recalling 1.1 million shifters

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Yes, there are SOME people, who like yourself, claim to be so talented, that they'll NEVER screw up, and ALWAYS get their Jeeps into whatever gear they select.


Then there are MANY of us, who like myself, have been driving ALL SORTS of vehicles, for OVER 40 YEARS, and all concur that this shifter is FAR too unsure, in it's operation. WE have been able, WITHOUT HAVING TO LOOK AT IT, shift gears every time, just fine.....


In other words, if the 50 year old, MILLIONS of units in service, mechanical shifter wasn't broken, why did some "electronic whizkid engineer" feel the need to fix it???
For someone who's been driving for over 40 years I would have assumed u know that P,R,N,D/S means when it's illuminated on the gear shifter and inside the dash. Or should I even assume people pay attention to those.
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Thanks for the update Jay - When I pull into my garage, I open the drivers door and use the kickplate to line up the against a line on the garage floor so I can park precisely. Based on the update, will the car go into auto park as soon as I open the door?
If your unbuckle your seatbelt and open the door, the vehicle will auto park if it has not been placed in park. I tested that yesterday after getting it back and it works.

I have not tested but my interpretation is, if you have your seatbelt fastened and open the door, it will not auto park. You could do as jeepgrady mentioned and buy a floor mat or put something on the wall to serve as a marker for where you need to be.

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Thanks for the detail. Please let us know if you continue to see the improvement of your hard shift problem. I wasn't going to get the recall as I am satisfied with the shifter, however, I continue to have harsh shifts where the dealer has tried numerous solutions only for the problem to reappear. I may just get the recall performed if it will cure my shift problem.
So the Service advisor mentioned that by flashing the TCM/PCM it effectively will force the transmission to relearn my driving. I don't believe you'd need to have the recall work done to do that if you are having that problem. As part of the recall work they did, it just so happened that both were re-flashed, so the shifting issues between 1-2 I was having may be corrected as a result. Time will tell.

As for the shifter itself. I am used to it and enjoy it at this point. It took me a bit to adjust for the first couple of weeks, but there's no issue now even before I had the recall completed. What does concern me though, is if anyone who's not used to this style of shifter had to drive it, like a valet, family member or friend. The older shifters, like in my last 2011, provided the tactile feedback so you just knew which gear you were in as you shifted. This one forces the driver to pay closer attention, which I don't think is a bad thing, but something that those used to the older shifters perhaps took too lightly or didn't pay quite as much attention to. Right or wrong.

I see the shifter as an advancement of technology, like many other features of the vehicle. As drivers, we just need to get used to the technology. With the shifter being part of the driving experience that must be used and it being different, I think the emphasis on this part of the technology and complaints are more pronounced. Heck, even the backup camera was an adjustment for me at first. When I drive a vehicle now that doesn't have it, I feel lost. Same way with the auto lift gate. If I drive one that doesn't have it, opening manually seems odd. LOL

Everyone has a preference on the shifter and there are valid points on both sides.
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For someone who's been driving for over 40 years I would have assumed u know that P,R,N,D/S means when it's illuminated on the gear shifter and inside the dash. Or should I even assume people pay attention to those.
Before this Jeep I never really paid attention to it. Most shifters I don't have to look just push up past the three notches and it's in park. Just like right now I'm not looking at my keyboard to type. After years of doing something you don't always need to see it to know you're doing it.

I had to check when I first got the Jeep to be sure because it did take a bit of getting used to using. Now I don't since I'm used to the feel. Press up through three notches like normal except now you have to pause and wait a moment for it to catch up by holding it in the park notch. Just a fraction of a moment but it's still a pause after pushing all the way up compared to a normal shifter. Once I understood that I was fine, only took a few times.
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Before this Jeep I never really paid attention to it. Most shifters, I don't have to look just push up past the three notches and it's in park. Just like right now I'm not looking at my keyboard to type. After years of doing something you don't always need to see it to know you're doing it.

Thank you!!

You understand what MANY of us have been saying, and since you mentioned the act of typing, it's EXACTLY why ALL typewriters have the same keyboard layout....so a user can go to ANY typewriter keyboard, and know EXACTLY what to expect, and be able to use it effectively, right from the start.

Secondly, for MANY of us, the Jeep isn't the only car in the garage, so it's annoying to have to "re-learn" the Jeep everytime you get into it.
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They do make these cars with parking brakes.. They are there for a reason...


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They do make these cars with parking brakes.. They are there for a reason...


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Not for the reason that's being discussed though. They made them because cars need them, not to cover their ass on a crappy designed shifter. Hell before this car I probably haven't had to look down to see what gear I'm in since I was 16 years old. I can't understand how anybody beyond a new driver wouldn't know what gear they're in without looking at the indicator rather than by feel. Auto not manual of course but even then I know what I'm in with my manual car as well. However once in a great while with my Jeep I won't give it that slight pause when shifting from R to D and the other way. Then I have to look down and see what I ended up in. Mildly annoying but I don't really care that much.

I use the parking brake. I've never not put it in park and tried to get out of the car. However it's a bad design. Even they know it, that's why they changed it so fast. It was changed right away. Sure it didn't come out until the '16 model but that's not a decision or design that they pulled out of their asses over night. It takes time to decide and change something like that. I bet they had planned that by the end of the '14 model year and it just took them a bit to implement it. Getting it designed, planned, parts created etc.

If the design didn't suck they wouldn't have changed it.

This is coming from someone that uses the parking brake and isn't worried about leaving it in gear on accident.
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I can't understand how anybody beyond a new driver wouldn't know what gear they're in without looking at the indicator rather than by feel.
I've been driving the GC '14 for 3 years now and I never look down to check my gear position. I don't need to. It's right in front of my nose on the EVIC display. I know by feel and the EVIC confirms this for me every single time.

I tested this the other night when taking the Grand down to our front gate which is 400 odd metres away from the house. (I had to do the garbage bin drop off).

In that exercise this is what I have to do with the shifter: (starting from the park area next to the house)

- Go from P to R (reverse down to the 'landing pad')
- Go from R to D (down the driveway)
- Go from D to P (exit and open first gate)
- Go from P to D (go through the first gate)
- Go from D to P (exit and close gate behind me - dogs escape otherwise)
- Go from P to D (continue on down the driveway and pull off into shoulder paddock area)
- Go from D to R (reverse further into shoulder area for greater turning circle)
- Go from R to D (pull into opposite shoulder paddock area)
- Go from D to R (straighten up and back onto driveway and reverse down to the road)

Unload bins and repeat some of the above (not the shoulders this time) until parked back up the top at the house.

My point in detailing this, is that in the 9 shift changes in less than 10 minutes (actually more because I didn't count the ones going back up), never once did I need to look at the shifter. Not a single time.

We also own an MY15 KL Cherokee with the Polystable shifter. If I was to make a choice between the WK2 shifter and the KL shifter then I would choose the WK2 shifter. If I could have the Monostable in my KL rather than what I have, that would be my choice.

So, you might not be able to understand but that doesn't make you correct. It just makes you unable to understand.
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