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That is what it's lacking - not "mechanical" per se, but tactical feedback to know that it's in park.

Slam it all the way to the top, and when it stops, you know you're in park.

Same as your windshield wipers - rotate the left stalk all the way back towards you, the stopped feeling tells you that you've returned the wipers back to off.

Technically doesn't that turn on the washer?

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Not to worry. If this is a typical Jeep recall you'll get the postcard and a year later the dealer still won't have the software ...... or that beautiful sticker!
Hey, I just got a postcard "from the dealer" [but with a return address from nowhere near the dealer] reminding me I had some outstanding recalls.

.... and they still don't have the parts, not that I really care until I might think of getting rid of the vehicle and just want it clean on CarFax.
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This is no different then the "Reverse Honk Feature" on Dodge Rams about 10 years ago.. People we backing up trucks with the door open and no seatbelts...slipping out on the ground and getting run over while still in gear....
What did they do? They made your truck honk incessantly in reverse if you had your door open with no seatbelt, to see what you may be doing. I avoided that update for years when it went in for service.
I personally don't have any problems with the shifter... It ain't perfect, but it certainly isn't recall status bad.......
Maybe they should add something like the voice of Gilbert Gottfried or CNN's Jeanne Moos repeating loudly "Put the damn thing in Park and set the Brake!"
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Re: Jeep recalling 1.1 million shifters

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I never said there was anything beneficial about it. Just that if there was any doubt about what gear I was in I could glance down and verify just like any other car.
I'm retired from a profession that required me to be in a car driving for the majority of my career in all forms of traffic and at all speeds, and a lifelong off-roader to boot. The electronic shifter is garbage.

If you are in a parking lot or a busy street and the moron in front of you suddenly backs up to grab a parking space, you'll want to quickly hit reverse and back out of danger while watching the car ahead and your rear view mirror.

With the current electronic shifter, there's absolutely no way to do that quick enough since you have to actually look at the indicator on the dash or on the shifter and even then you have to fiddle with it to get it in the right position.

Might as well just give it up and sit there call a wrecker while waiting for the crash.

Same problem off-road. If you need to grab reverse quickly while keeping your eyes on the terrain, there's no way to do it without looking and fiddling with the shifter.

A side issue that has been previously mentioned in this thread is the aggravating ability to move from D to N with only a slight touch of the shifter. Many of us who drive off-road keep our hand on or close to the shifter for rapid shifts to keep from getting stuck or to avoid obstacles. I don't know how many times I've hit a bump in the road and had my hand accidentally touch the shifter and knock me into neutral, and mostly at exactly the worst time.......

Finally, I've (fortunately) never had to rock my GC in mud or snow to get unstuck, but with this shifter, it would just about be impossible........

My two pennies for what it's worth.

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If you are in a parking lot or a busy street and the moron in front of you suddenly backs up to grab a parking space, you'll want to quickly hit reverse and back out of danger while watching the car ahead and your rear view mirror.

With the current electronic shifter, there's absolutely no way to do that quick enough since you have to actually look at the indicator on the dash or on the shifter and even then you have to fiddle with it to get it in the right position.

Might as well just give it up and sit there call a wrecker while waiting for the crash.

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...or, there's the even quicker option which is to use that device designed for that very issue:

The Horn.

By the time you shift even a car where there is tactical feedback and make sure you aren't going to back into anything, the guy has likely already hit you. It's better to wake the guy up and get him to stop, along with having a dashcam for proof of what he did in case he doesn't (especially if it's a scam in the making).

A bump in the parking lot is a minor repair that won't case permanent issues and it won't injure you, either. That's what insurance is designed for.

If he doesn't have it, that's what cops and lawyers are for.
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...or, there's the even quicker option which is to use that device designed for that very issue:

The Horn.

By the time you shift even a car where there is tactical feedback and make sure you aren't going to back into anything, the guy has likely already hit you. It's better to wake the guy up and get him to stop, along with having a dashcam for proof of what he did in case he doesn't (especially if it's a scam in the making).

A bump in the parking lot is a minor repair that won't case permanent issues and it won't injure you, either. That's what insurance is designed for.

If he doesn't have it, that's what cops and lawyers are for.

I'm sure the horn will also sound great going over a cliff or down a ravine. If loud enough if might even rock you out of the mud hole or deep snow.
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...or, there's the even quicker option which is to use that device designed for that very issue:

The Horn.

By the time you shift even a car where there is tactical feedback and make sure you aren't going to back into anything, the guy has likely already hit you. It's better to wake the guy up and get him to stop, along with having a dashcam for proof of what he did in case he doesn't (especially if it's a scam in the making).

A bump in the parking lot is a minor repair that won't case permanent issues and it won't injure you, either. That's what insurance is designed for.

If he doesn't have it, that's what cops and lawyers are for.
I want all of the options to avoid a collision, and yes that includes the horn....
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I'm retired from a profession that required me to be in a car driving for the majority of my career in all forms of traffic and at all speeds, and a lifelong off-roader to boot. The electronic shifter is garbage.

If you are in a parking lot or a busy street and the moron in front of you suddenly backs up to grab a parking space, you'll want to quickly hit reverse and back out of danger while watching the car ahead and your rear view mirror.

With the current electronic shifter, there's absolutely no way to do that quick enough since you have to actually look at the indicator on the dash or on the shifter and even then you have to fiddle with it to get it in the right position.

Might as well just give it up and sit there call a wrecker while waiting for the crash.

Same problem off-road. If you need to grab reverse quickly while keeping your eyes on the terrain, there's no way to do it without looking and fiddling with the shifter.

A side issue that has been previously mentioned in this thread is the aggravating ability to move from D to N with only a slight touch of the shifter. Many of us who drive off-road keep our hand on or close to the shifter for rapid shifts to keep from getting stuck or to avoid obstacles. I don't know how many times I've hit a bump in the road and had my hand accidentally touch the shifter and knock me into neutral, and mostly at exactly the worst time.......

Finally, I've (fortunately) never had to rock my GC in mud or snow to get unstuck, but with this shifter, it would just about be impossible........

My two pennies for what it's worth.

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Yeah im not sure why you're quoting me because I agree with everything you said. There is nothing beneficial about it but again if I had any doubt about what gear im in I could always look down. In an emergency situation you could also engage the wrong gear even though my guess is the chances of a miss would be higher with the electronic.
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I'm sure the horn will also sound great going over a cliff or down a ravine. If loud enough if might even rock you out of the mud hole or deep snow.
Really?

When was the last time someone reversed into you on the edge of a ravine or in a mud hole?

.......because that was what I was responding to.

Getting yourself unstuck isn't a panic situation that requires you to shift that quickly. Should you be headed toward a ravine, well, maybe you should be more careful and not listen to the GPS when she says "turn left now"....
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Really?

When was the last time someone reversed into you on the edge of a ravine or in a mud hole?

.......because that was what I was responding to.

Getting yourself unstuck isn't a panic situation that requires you to shift that quickly. Should you be headed toward a ravine, well, maybe you should be more careful and not listen to the GPS when she says "turn left now"....
I guess we know the last time you went off road
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Getting yourself unstuck isn't a panic situation that requires you to shift that quickly. Should you be headed toward a ravine, well, maybe you should be more careful and not listen to the GPS when she says "turn left now"....[/QUOTE]

Except when you are trying to rock it back and for and have to step on the brake to put it in drive...That really works well in that situation !
Of course its bearable in 90 % of normal driving situations, but in the other 10 % when you need complete control without looking? Oh well...
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Re: Jeep recalling 1.1 million shifters

I personally don't love the 14-15 shifter, but I live with it. I had a choice when buying my '14 Limited & my '15 Overland to NOT buy either, because of the shifter. It wasn't a big enough deterrent to make me not purchase either.

I drove BMW's for 30 years, and what made me stop driving them was BMW's insistence on equipping all of their vehicles with Run Flat Tires beginning in 2006, with no Spare or Jack. This was a non-starter for me and greatly influenced my buying decision. The Jeep shifter? Not so much.
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