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Re: Major smoke out of exhaust

I think you have oil return problems.. No way should you have a "plume" , puff, wisper of anything resembling blue oil.... You need to get it in to the dealer. My guess is someone didn't connect or drill something in the heads properly and the oil isn't draining down. Granted they added an extra quart of oil for the 11's up to 7 so that it can do the off road thing, but most of us don't off road these vehicles.. soccer mom mobiles.. Never had a wisper of smoke from mine even during break in.
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Old 07-13-2012, 03:34 AM
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Re: Major smoke out of exhaust

Well my saga is over my friends!!! Legally I cannot talk about the settlement, but I will say that immediately after I left the dealership yesterday I drove straight to the BMW dealership and traded my GC in for a 2013 X5 sport activity. From now on I will enjoy jeeps the way they are supposed to be enjoyed, on the trails with my YJ.
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Re: Major smoke out of exhaust

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They told me they are going to replace the PCV valve. do you guys think this is the solution?
That's the very first thing they replaced on mine, then the seals, then they checked the plugs and 1 was fouled. It went on and on until they said that they couldn't fix the problem.
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Well my saga is over my friends!!! Legally I cannot talk about the settlement, but I will say that immediately after I left the dealership yesterday I drove straight to the BMW dealership and traded my GC in for a 2013 X5 sport activity. From now on I will enjoy jeeps the way they are supposed to be enjoyed, on the trails with my YJ.
Like which BMW dealership, I wouldn't want to buy your old GC off their used car lot. Hope you have better luck with your X5, the neighbor's was in the shop more than on the road and eventually ended up with some kind of settlement. He is now loving his GC.
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Like which BMW dealership, I wouldn't want to buy your old GC off their used car lot. Hope you have better luck with your X5, the neighbor's was in the shop more than on the road and eventually ended up with some kind of settlement. He is now loving his GC.

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Re: Major smoke out of exhaust

Prior to making the decision on my WK2, I was able to take a new X5 to use for a weekend. Nice vehicle, but I felt the interior and exterior was getting old looking and in need of a makeover. Plus X5's are known for persistant rattles from the interior. Hopefully, you have a good one. Enjoy.
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Re: Major smoke out of exhaust

V6 is overhead cam. Should not be an issue on that design.
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Re: Major smoke out of exhaust

Hi Ladies and Gents, New to this forum and also Jeep. Switched to Cherokee after my 2001 Toyota Forerunner finally wasn't worth fixing. I'm lovin' my Overland 5.7 Hemi all $44,000 worth, except the blue smoke that's coming from my exhaust at startup. Checked the oil level...and sure enough was 2 quarts low, added the two quarts and got the vehicle to my dealership left it there for 2 days and after having it sit there for the two days without it being touched and having to harass the dealerships owner and finally having it checked by service dept. the "TECHNICIANS" came to the conclusion that this was normal during the Break-in period, which so far only has 1600 miles on the odometer. So my next step is to take it to another Jeep dealer 20 miles away and get their diagnosis.
I really like this vehicle the fit and finish is superb and the workmanship seems to be up there with luxury cars that;s why I'm so surprised that Jeep seems to be ignoring this issue. Hope fully this is no big deal, but my gut says differently. Thanks for the opportunity to post.
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Re: Major smoke out of exhaust

They replaced my PCV valve and so far i got smoke only once, it defenately helped because my jeep used to blow more.
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Re: Major smoke out of exhaust

Update on my previous post about oil consumption and blue smoke from exhaust.
I just came from yet another Jeep dealer's service dept and explained my issue and surprise they never heard of this issue and that as per "chrysler" it's normal for the 5.7 hemi to burn 1 qt of oil every 1000 miles.
So I'm leaving my GC at that dealership next week to do an oil consumption test with them (sounds like BS), but i'll give it a try. I just might have to use that NYS lemon law on this vehicle if they don't fix it. Peace.....
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Re: Major smoke out of exhaust

Actually, 1 qt every 2,000 miles for vehicles with under 50,000 miles and 1 qt every 750 miles for vehicles over 50,000 miles is considered acceptable per Chrysler Service Bulletin 09-001-12. Seems high to me, but it is what it is...

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Service Bulletin NUMBER: 09-001-12
GROUP: Engine
DATE: June 27, 2012
SUBJECT: Engine Oil Consumption Guideline

JEEP MODELS INCLUDED:
2012 - 2013 (JK) Wrangler
2012 - 2013 (J3) Wrangler (CKD)
2012 (K1) Cherokee (CKD)
2012 (KK) Liberty
2012 - 2013 (MK) Compass/Patriot
2012 - 2013 (W2) Grand Cherokee (CKD)
2012 - 2013 (WK) Grand Cherokee

NOTE: This bulletin applies to all Chrysler Group LLC vehicles equipped with
gasoline engines, except SRT and Viper models or vehicles equipped with
Diesel engines.

Oil Consumption
The accepted rate of oil consumption for engines used in the vehicles listed above is 0.946 liter (1 qt.) in 3,200 km (2,000 mi) for the 1st 80,467 km (50,000 mi). For vehicles with more then 80,467 km (50,000 mi) the acceptable oil consumption for engines is 0.946 liter (1 qt.) in 1,207 km (750 mi).
CAUTION: This above rate only applies to personal use vehicles, under warranty, that are driven in a non-aggressive manner and maintained in accordance with the appropriate maintenance schedule,
CAUTION: This rate does not apply to vehicles that are driven in an aggressive manner, at high RPM, high speeds, or in a loaded condition (for trucks).
See ‘Causes for Oil Consumption’ below. Oil consumption for vehicles driven under these conditions will be higher and may include Fleet and Commercial customers.
There are many factors that can affect a Owner's concern with oil consumption. Driving habits and vehicle maintenance vary from owner to owner. Inspect each condition listed below prior to determining if the vehicle in question has abnormal engine oil consumption.
If abnormal oil consumption is suspected, refer to the detailed diagnostic procedures available in DealerCONNECT> TechCONNECT under: Service Info> 09 - Engine> Diagnosis and Testing - Oil Consumption Test And Diagnosis.

Diagnosis of Oil Consumption:
Gasket and External Leaks
Thoroughly inspect the oil pan and engine intake manifold for leakage due to over tightened, damaged, or out of place gaskets.
Oil Leaks
Inspect all oil lines and fittings for signs of leakage. Verify Oil filter is at proper torque and Oil Filter gasket is not out of place.
Improper Reading of the Oil Level Indicator on Dipstick
Verify that the dipstick is fully seated in the tube. Verify the dipstick tube is fully seated in the engine block. When checking the oil level, make sure the vehicle is on a level surface and the dipstick is wiped clean before taking an oil level reading and fully depress the dipstick until the shoulder bottoms out on the dipstick tube.
NOTE: The dipstick must be the proper part number for the engine/vehicle that is being checked.
CAUTION: Operating the vehicle with an oil level that is below the minimum level indicated on the engine oil dipstick can result in severe engine damage.
Repairs resulting from operating an engine with insufficient oil are not covered under the terms of the New Vehicle Warranty.
Some engines require more time than others for the oil to drain back into the crankcase.
The vehicle should be allowed to sit for at least 15 minutes, after the engine has been shut off, before taking an oil level reading. To ensure an accurate reading, the temperature of the oil should be close to the same temperature as the last time the oil level was checked.
Under or Over Oil Fill after an Oil Change
After an oil change, verify that the proper amount of oil was put in the engine and that the oil level on the dipstick is not above the full mark or below the add marks. Refer to the Owner Manual or Service Information for information on recommended oil quantity.
Correct Oil Type
Verify the vehicle has the correct oil. Refer to the Owner Manual or Service Information for information on recommended oil viscosity, and quality.
Crankcase Ventilation System
Verify that the positive crankcase ventilation (PCV) system is operating properly. Blockages, restrictions, or damage to the PCV system can result in increased oil use.
Oil Dilution (Fuel and Water)
On vehicles that are normally driven short distances, less than 8 km (5 mi), especially in colder weather, unburned fuel and condensation generated from cold engine operation may not get hot enough to evaporate out of the oil. When this occurs, the dipstick may indicate that the oil level is over-full. Subsequent driving on a trip of sufficient length to enable normal engine operating temperature for 30 minutes or more, in order to vaporize excess moisture and fuel, may give the customer the impression of excessive oil consumption.

Causes for Oil Consumption:
Aggressive Driving
Aggressive driving and/or continuous driving at high speeds with high RPM's will increase oil consumption. Because this may not always be an everyday occurrence, it is hard to determine exactly how much the oil economy will be affected. A higher rate of oil consumption is normal for vehicles equipped with manual transmissions that are driven aggressively. Aggressive means; operation at high RPM (3,000 RPM to redline), with frequent use of engine braking (using the engine to slow the vehicle). Vehicles that are driven aggressively may consume engine oil at a rate of up to 0.946 L (1 quart) every 805 km (500 mi). This is normal for a vehicle that is driven aggressively. No repair is necessary. This driving habit will require the owner to check the engine oil level at frequent intervals, to verified the oil level remains within the recommended operating range. Oil level should be checked every time you get fuel.
Towing or Heavy Usage
Towing a trailer will increase oil consumption and may cause oil consumption to fall below the normal accepted rate referenced in this bulletin for an unloaded vehicle in a personal use application. Large frontal area trailers will further increase the work required from the engine, especially at highway speeds increasing the rate of oil consumption.
Engine Wear
Piston scuffing, excessive piston-to-wall clearance, tapered or out of round cylinders, worn, damaged or improperly installed valve guides, seals and piston rings will cause an increase in oil consumption.
Engine Temperature
If an engine is run at overheated temperatures for more than brief periods, oil will oxidize at a faster than normal rate. In addition, gaskets may distort, piston rings may stick, and excessive wear may result. Verify that all cooling system components are in proper working order.
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Re: Major smoke out of exhaust

Thanks for the TSB info, I guess I've been driving Toyota's too long, I never had to worry about checking the dip stick every week. But like you said it is what it is, I just I did a little more homework before falling in love with it. BUMMER
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