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#1 ·
Got home today, left Jeep in driveway. Driveway is at an angle, maybe 15%, not sure exactly. Left jeep running as wife had to go to the store and she was gonna drive jeep (i need to re-think that scenerio).

she backs out of driveway, puts in drive, hits gas, major plume of blue smoke out of both of exhaust pipes. i run outside, get her stopped, get in jeep, hit gas a few more times and it stops.

does anyone know what might have caused this? i have about 600 miles on her.
 
#180 ·
Just got the call from my dealer letting me know the new updated oil pan and windage tray are in. I have scheduled my Jeep to have the parts replaced next Thursday. Hopefully this will resolve the "blue smoke" issue that's been going on for over a year now. Actually kind of embarrassing to have that much smoke come out of a vehicle with less that 15k miles.
 
#182 ·
Just got a call from my dealers service manager. He says that Chrysler now wants to do a compression test to see if I'm within spec. If not then they want to start tearing the engine apart to look for broken rings. If the compression test passes then they want to remove the intake manifold to check for bad gaskets. If all this passes as OK then they will go with the oil pan and windage tray replacement. It goes in the shop next Tuesday. I guess this is not as close to being resolved as I first thought.:eek:
 
#187 ·
Windage tray and oil pan replaced on the 29th of March with new design. Dealer said we were the first to have the new tray and pan installed so they are very interested as to whether or not the problem is solved.

So far so good, haven't seen any signs of smoking but it was fairly intermittent so time will tell.
 
#190 ·
I don't see how the new pan will solve this. I doubt it's an issue unless the vehicle is parked on a massive incline. The oil would have to be high enough to surround a piston.
My Jeep stopped doing it at the 1st oil change when I installed the catch can. I park on the same incline driveway it was smoking at when I took it home from the dealer.
 
#195 ·
One thing i noticed with catch cans is that if the manifold vacuum is strong enough,the catch can will let through some oil, at least that's my experience with the billet technology catch can on the crd engine. I had to modify the can to reduce the oil passing through.
 
#196 ·
Well here's the latest. The service manager called me and discussed what happened when they changed the oil pan and windage tray. The oil pan has a deeper sump and the oil now sits lower in the pan. When they filled the crankcase with oil the level was wrong on the dipstick because the oil level is lower with the new pan. So the tech added oil to bring it up to the full mark on the dipstick. I ended up with 8 1/2 quarts of oil. So they believe this was the cause of the smoke after the new pan was installed. They had me return to the dealer and they changed my oil again and only put in 7 quarts. The reading on the dipstick is below the "add" line. Time will be the answer to see if the smoke on startup stops. Meanwhile, the dealer is in contact with Chrysler to see what to do about the dipstick issue. Looks like they will have to come up with a new dipstick for the revised oil pan.
 
#197 ·
Wonder if they lengthened the oil pick-up to account for the added depth? Maybe not if they overlooked the need for a longer dipstick. My dealer wants the rig to run tests per Chrysler. Will mention the dipstick issue. Thanks.
 
#202 ·
Well, I've been waiting to see what other people have experienced with the smoking issue/windage tray fix but so far peckmv's been the only one that's posted and it seems that there is problems with the dip stick length.

Chrysler has been calling me and reminding me to take it in to get the repair work done. I have been repeatedly asking chrysler and my local dealer about the deeper oil pan and possible too-short dipstick and FINALLY got an answer. Suzie, chrysler customer service agent, told me that the new oil pan IS deeper and there is NO new dipstick. She also said that they CANNOT promise me that if there is a problem with the oil reading after the new pan is installed that they will fix the dipstick. I explained to her that the vehicle might end up getting overfilled by a quart and a half of oil and she said that it wouldn't hurt it!?! She also said that if I wanted a longer dipstick I would have to see my dealer about getting one aftermarket.

What do you all think about this? Is this acceptable? Should I go ahead and get the work done and see what happens, even if it screws up my oil reading? Has anyone else had this fix done? Anyone??? Help me out here please.
 
#203 · (Edited)
Well, I've been waiting to see what other people have experienced with the smoking issue/windage tray fix but so far peckmv's been the only one that's posted and it seems that there is problems with the dip stick length.

Chrysler has been calling me and reminding me to take it in to get the repair work done. I have been repeatedly asking chrysler and my local dealer about the deeper oil pan and possible too-short dipstick and FINALLY got an answer. Suzie, chrysler customer service agent, told me that the new oil pan IS deeper and there is NO new dipstick. She also said that they CANNOT promise me that if there is a problem with the oil reading after the new pan is installed that they will fix the dipstick. I explained to her that the vehicle might end up getting overfilled by a quart and a half of oil and she said that it wouldn't hurt it!?! She also said that if I wanted a longer dipstick I would have to see my dealer about getting one aftermarket.

What do you all think about this? Is this acceptable? Should I go ahead and get the work done and see what happens, even if it screws up my oil reading? Has anyone else had this fix done? Anyone??? Help me out here please.

AKHLK, its been about 2 weeks since I had the oil pan changed. After they put in the correct amount of oil it has NOT smoked (Hurray). The reading on the dipstick is about 1/16 to 1/8 of an inch above the add line. This still puts it barely in the cross-hatched area. I still have not heard from Chrysler on what they are going to do about the dipstick. If I have to I will modify it myself. At least it stopped smoking.

I was blown away that the the customer service rep from Chrysler told you that putting in 1 1/2 quarts over is OK. Its NOT. Don't do it. I have not given up, and will keep hounding Chrysler to do the right thing and replace the dipstick with the correct length. Its their screw up and now they want to half ass it. Thats BS and I will fight it. I have been dealing with this for almost 2 years and I'll be damm if I'm going throw in the towel now. I'll keep you posted of any updates.
 
#204 · (Edited)
unrelated to smoking Hemi's but my dealer told me not to fill up my CRD WK to the full line, because oil seals will leak, they said halfway between the fill line and full line.

I have not found any TSB that backs up their advice.

Perhaps if those guys that had smoking Hemi's siphoned out some oil, their Hemi's would stop smoking? Worth a try, pull out half a quart of oil and see if your engine stops smoking on an incline. :)
 
#205 ·
unrelated to smoking Hemi's but my dealer told me not to fill up my CRD WK to the full line, because oil seals will leak, they said halfway between the fill line and full.

I have not found any TSB that backs up their advice.

Perhaps if those guys that had smoking Hemi's siphoned out some oil, their Hemi's would stop smoking? Worth a try, pull out half a quart of oil and see if your engine stops smoking on an incline. :)
I was told that anywhere within the hatched area is OK. If you go below that, they have the word "ADD". You don't want to go above the "FULL" mark to prevent smoking and airation of the oil. In my situation my "new" full mark is just above the word "ADD".
 
#207 ·
Chrysler should still supply a new dipstick. They should be taking responsibility for setting where the oil level should fall on the dipstick, not us, their customers. It would also serve as a confirmation that the seven quarts of oil is still the correct amount to service the rig with. Plus I don't want to have to always be worried that some mechanic or servicing person overfills based on an inaccurate dipstick.

I'm still waiting to hear from the dealership about their diagnostics. Love having the videos of the smoking to show them so they have no excuse for a "could not duplicate".
 
#209 ·
Hence, negating the whole purpose of the fix. The reason for "add" and "full" markings is so the operator knows that the oil level is correct for proper operation in all conditions.
 
#210 ·
HELP !!!! Just got a call from the dealership and they told me that Chrysler says this is normal startup condensation (HA). And there is no TSB to be found. Talked to the service manager and he is going to further pursue my issue with Chrysler. What he said would help, would be the part numbers of the new oil pan and windage tray.

So maybe anyone who has had the fix completed could get those numbers for me. PM or reply post here would be great. And a dealership name and/or service manager's name, maybe. Or some form of a satisfactory starting point.

peckmv ??? Anyone??? Thanks.
 
#215 · (Edited)
HELP !!!! Just got a call from the dealership and they told me that Chrysler says this is normal startup condensation (HA). And there is no TSB to be found. Talked to the service manager and he is going to further pursue my issue with Chrysler. What he said would help, would be the part numbers of the new oil pan and windage tray.

So maybe anyone who has had the fix completed could get those numbers for me. PM or reply post here would be great. And a dealership name and/or service manager's name, maybe. Or some form of a satisfactory starting point.

peckmv ??? Anyone??? Thanks.
Sorry, I don't have the part numbers. The dealer is Jones Junction. The number is 410-879-6400. The Jeep service manager is Joe Sweitzer. He is very familiar with this issue. HTH.
 
#212 ·
Appreciate that. Who's your dealer and service rep or service manager?
 
#214 ·
Thanks. I will give them a call and have my service manager talk to them.
 
#216 ·
Thanks for the reply. Will make sure I give that info to the dealership. Got the part number, Chrysler # 68207352AA, from AKHLK on Wednesday. Picked the rig up on Friday after two weeks at the dealership. Since the service manager had talked with a Regional manager and a Star manager I figured they had at least run the tests to rule out other possible causes. Nope nary a one. They want to wait to do anything else till a supposedly forthcoming flash. Whether to be done in conjunction with the new pan or maybe as a solution, they didn't know. So rather than having ruled out the other possibilities, they expect me to drive two cars 120 miles at least two more times instead of just coming in for the parts install. Par for the course unfortunately for this dealership. Not the first time they've dropped the ball on service.

Called another dealership two hours the other way and they want to give it a shot, but will at least have their ducks lined up prior to us driving there. Also much more open to giving credence to videos showing the smoke. Keeping my fingers crossed.

Part of the problem for all of us is that there still is no TSB in the system and I'm told the parts are in short supply or backordered.
 
#217 ·
Just dropped mine off for the 2nd time about the blue smoke. 2013 and I haven't even made the first payment yet. This is sad. Talked to Chrysler and they are opening a CARE Case and calling the service manager. Don't know what this will do, but he is trying. Got the same thing I got from the service adviser. I have never heard of that issue. I hope they can get this resolved.
 
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