Check the back of the oil containers.. I use Valvoline that abides by the standards however, I think Mobil 1 would be fine...I just don't think they've forked up the money to get the certification.
I assume u meant MS-6395...as mentioned above cost was a factor, driven by many things and this 2 summer/1 winter Las Vegas field test is oft labeled the culprit....plus Chrysler chose their partner Shell/Pennzoil so that was basically a rebuff to Exxon/Mobil but if it were the main reason then why is Mobil Super Synthetic 5W-20 MS-6395 certified....anywho...many on here report using Mobil 1 with zero issues....fwiw, the Mag-Moss Warranty Act clearly states that not only must FCA prove the oil (even non manufact recommended) was he cause of the failure but they must also prove this BEFORE denying a warranty claim...
Keep in mind that Approval Labels don't always mean this oil is better than that. It just might mean it's different. There are so many modifiers in oils and the spec labels specify how the oil should behave. Not that it's good or bad oil. Some spec labels certainly supersede others.
I don't it has anything to do with money. Maybe some politics, but certainly not money.
I'm also curious if a 0W-20 oil does meet the spec, does that mean it's appropriate for an engine that calls for 5W-20 with that spec?
Keep in mind that Approval Labels don't always mean this oil is better than that. It just might mean it's different. There are so many modifiers in oils and the spec labels specify how the oil should behave. Not that it's good or bad oil. Some spec labels certainly supersede others.
I don't it has anything to do with money. Maybe some politics, but certainly not money.
I'm also curious if a 0W-20 oil does meet the spec, does that mean it's appropriate for an engine that calls for 5W-20 with that spec?
Yes I read what you posted, compatable is a clever marketing phrase used by Amsoil that literally means nothing.
Any oil company can make any claim at all using clever wording to imply an oil/fluid may comply with a certain spec, but without actually paying for a lab to get said oil/fluid actually certified to that spec it's all B/S.
Amsoil is famous for this.
Wow it didn't take long for an Amsoil fanboi/internet seller to chime in and claim Signiture series motor oils meet several specs they have never been actually certified for!
Mr. GoPlzGo I have cut and pasted from Amsoil's own website just like you;
Only added color and underlined for emphasis! Note that cleverly listing a group of manufacture specs while stating a motor oil isrecommended for applications that require that spec is not the same as actually meeting that spec...... Anyone can claim anything, using cleverly worded product descriptions as I posted before...... Amsoil is famous for that!!!!
APPLICATIONS
AMSOIL Signature Series Synthetic Motor Oil is excellent for use in all types of gasoline-fueled passenger cars and light trucks. It is recommended for all domestic and foreign vehicles requiring any of the following performance specifications: 0W-20 (ASM): API SN (Resource Conserving), SM…; ILSAC GF-5, GF-4…; ACEA A1/B1; GM dexos1™ (supersedes 6094M) Fortified with detergents that exceed dexos1 sulfated ash specifications; Chrysler MS-6395; Ford WSS-M2C947-A
Claiming an oil/fluid is recommended for the following specs and certifications and actually submitting a sample and paying to actually see if an independent lab can confirm any said oil/fluid may or may not meet a certain spec are two very different things!
READ IT AGAIN! RECOMMENDED FOR A SPEC DOSN'T MEAN CERTIFIED TO MEET THAT SPEC!!
Haters r haters....I should have attended to the "recommended" point in prior post. Ask anyone who USES Amsoil for road or racing, Amsoil fluids do absolutely everything they say and more. When Amsoil recommends it to a spec they GUARANTEE it is equal or better for the application and cover u for damage should a warranty claim b denied. My positive Amsoil comments r based on 30 years of road, trail and racing across every engine/type imaginable...exactly what experience r your negative comments based on?
And, Raptor, until u find a post of mine selling Amsoil, on any forum, which u won't, pls leave me out of that bucket u cast me into..i haven't moved volume in quite a few yrs, only personal and friends and family use these days...fanboy, as I self-proclaimed, yes, but based on experience and merits. I will also never talk down other oils as these days most are quite good.
IMHO, everyone had better get used to "recommended" regarding specs as manufacturers r creating specs not be universally available but as exclusionary barriers to entry so they can own the vertical supply chain for what they sell, that's just a plain fact...they r doing what good for them not customers and aftermarket...this is the era where manufacturers r clawing back all that aftermarket revenue they have been ignoring for decades....surprised it took them.this long...
Haters r haters....I should have attended to the "recommended" point in prior post. Ask anyone who USES Amsoil for road or racing, Amsoil fluids do absolutely everything they say and more. When Amsoil recommends it to a spec they GUARANTEE it is equal or better for the application and cover u for damage should a warranty claim b denied. My positive Amsoil comments r based on 30 years of road, trail and racing across every engine/type imaginable...exactly what experience r your negative comments based on?
My comments pointed out the facts, why do you view them as negative? Although I will concede deceptive marketing practices are almost always viewed as a negative for those duped by them!
And, Raptor, until u find a post of mine selling Amsoil, on any forum, which u won't, pls leave me out of that bucket u cast me into..i haven't moved volume in quite a few yrs, only personal and friends and family use these days...fanboy, as I self-proclaimed, yes, but based on experience and merits. I will also never talk down other oils as these days most are quite good.
Ok so your a self admitted Amsoil fanboi and seller in that "bucket" by your own admission, not mine.
IMHO, everyone had better get used to "recommended" regarding specs as manufacturers r creating specs not be universally available but as exclusionary barriers to entry so they can own the vertical supply chain for what they sell, that's just a plain fact...they r doing what good for them not customers and aftermarket...this is the era where manufacturers r clawing back all that aftermarket revenue they have been ignoring for decades....surprised it took them.this long...
There might be some truth to the above paragraph as to manufacturers attempting to own the vertical supply chain to the detriment of their customers! But there are several motor oil manufacturers that take the time and expense to certify their motor oils to meet a certain spec so that consumers may actually buy whats required by the manufacturer motor oil wise..... without having to use a mystery lubricant that's "recommended", but hasn't been certified by a third party supplier! That's a very slippery slope IMO.
Interestingly the manufacturer vertical supply chain nonsense you mentioned above may be exactly why some Mobile One motor oils, (Their Synthetic products) are no longer listed as meeting Chryslers MS-6395 oil spec;
BTW I've always used Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5w/20 motor oil in my 2012 Overland Summit exclusively. Even after it was no longer listed as a motor oil meeting the Chrysler MS-6395 spec.
Both Amsoil and Mobil1 will keep any wk2 happy but one company paid for the right to say certified by meeting certain criteria, the other didn't want to meet certain criteria. Both are top quality I believe Amsoil has the edge, neither would be the culprit in most failures.
Answering couple of questions here:
1- I have a 2016 I bought new couple of weeks ago.
2- Located in the US. MN to be exact.
3- 3.6L Pentastar V6
BTW I also checked the 2017 Owner's Manual. States MS-6395. I agree it must be an error in the in the 2016 Owner's Manual. I did see references to MS-6366 in another post on this forum so I'll have to post on that thread. Thanx all. Great forum.
The reason I asked is because my thought is that Helix is a global brand not marketed in the US by Shell. Whatever, both the bottle label and PDS for Helix 0W20 state MS-6395 with no mention of 6366.
It might be worth investigating the publication info in your owners manual and also comparing your manual to the current one downloaded from the website.
Shell's top of the full synthetic, latest chemistry heap is Shell Helix Ultra. Pennzoil's top is Pennzoil Platinum ultra...they are both made from same newest tech base stocks with their owns twists added...the new tech thing is interesting...Shell calls it PurePlus tech but is the new gas-to-liquid "manufacturing" process that makes a pure base oil...all goodness :thumbsup:
I just looked in the 2017 OM and it has the same wording except it say MS-6395. I guess the brand recommendation is a generic statement. Pennzoil Platinum Ultra or Shell Helix Ultra, formulated and packaged for different markets.
has there been any other updates on this? i kind of fell down the rabbit hole trying to figure out this 6366/6395 thing and i'm wondering if theres been any comment from fca on it or what the 2017 manuals with the same motor are saying.
I searched a while on this so to save others the trouble...in the manual for a 2016 I found on the manufacturers site p. 643 states ms-6336 p. 707 states ms-6395 so I'd say that confirms typo. I went with the ms-6395.
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