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Old 02-09-2015, 11:25 AM
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My nuts are swollen

Yes, apparently I have swollen lug nuts.

Costco refused to rotate my tires today because many of the lug nuts are swollen according to them. I have been told a few times in the past that there was something wrong with em and I should let them replace. Never paid attn. cuz I thought they were just blowing smoke. A new manager works here now, and he wont look past it.

I have a 2011 GC Overland with 20" - and since the beginning I have always had a hard time getting the socket on a few of them, and even had to go one size up. So I guess this is a real thing because the lugs have caps on them and can expand? Anyone else had this happen. Too bad I can't ask the dealer to address now that warranty is over. They prob wouldn't anyway.

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Old 02-09-2015, 11:40 AM
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Re: My nuts are swollen

That's a new one...

sorry to hear about your trouble. However, I am having trouble believing that the ambient temperature has enabled your lug nuts to "grow" so much that a socket cannot fit on there (due to thermal expansion, although cold temps work in the other direction...)

Thinking about what's going on here (pictures would be nice...) you may have a situation where the wheel's casting is border line for the socket to have the correct clearance for the socket to properly seat in the lug hole to move the nut...

The lug nuts do not have a little cap on there, they are solid. Therefore, snow and crud cannot get underneath and freeze, then making the lug nut "swolen"...
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Re: My nuts are swollen

I hadn't heard of it either, and never believed them. Now we are at the point where they flat out are refusing to start work unless I get new lugs. I am going to try a different place to see what they say.

I was with you, always thought "the wheel's casting is border line for the socket to have the correct clearance for the socket to properly seat in the lug hole " - I can get a socket on there just have a much harder time on some. Assumed it was a clearance issue.

I got some McGard lugs in my cart on AutoAnything ready to order, so lets see. Maybe properly seated new lugs will address that uneasy shimmy sensation when the vehicle is at speed. I see there is a huge thread here about that.
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Re: My nuts are swollen

I'm not convinced on the swollen nuts theory based on temperature. That type of stainless in that shape, formed the way it is, it's mighty strong, so any temperature swing that would distort or swell it past the fairly loose tolerances of a lug socket. The guy holding the wrench would be long gone at either end.
That being said after enough times being hit by an impact the caps do develop a ledge or ridge on the leading edge of each side. This sometimes jams up when people use certain sockets...
Hopeful guess. Have a good afternoon
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I think that's the right listing, there's plenty of good logic behind capped nuts. I just don't like them.
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Re: My nuts are swollen

I have never personally experienced it, but I have heard of it happening. A layer of rust can sometimes form between the strong metal inside that really holds your wheel on and the pretty cap outside so it starts to bulge a little. Or they get misshapen over time from people repeatedly using slightly-wrong-size sockets or impact wrenches.

But refusing to do the work also probably means your Costco doesn't let the kids play with a real socket set. Or they're using the same "close enough" socket for both standard and metric instead of the proper one for each, so it's a little too tight and it doesn't take much to keep it from fitting.
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I cold shower will fix the problem. Everything will shrink including those nuts.


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I hadn't heard of it either, and never believed them. Now we are at the point where they flat out are refusing to start work unless I get new lugs. I am going to try a different place to see what they say.

I was with you, always thought "the wheel's casting is border line for the socket to have the correct clearance for the socket to properly seat in the lug hole " - I can get a socket on there just have a much harder time on some. Assumed it was a clearance issue.

I got some McGard lugs in my cart on AutoAnything ready to order, so lets see. Maybe properly seated new lugs will address that uneasy shimmy sensation when the vehicle is at speed. I see there is a huge thread here about that.
Factory nuts or aftermarket ones?
The factory nuts aren't single piece, but still hard to believe they are dinged up enough to keep from being able to put the correct size socket on them.

Is there a tire shop such as Discount/America's Tire in the area?
They sell really nice solid nuts and can get them in colors, plus I'd get a second opinion on the fitment--although the aftermarket units are far better quality and rugged...
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Re: My nuts are swollen

This a known issue in the tire and wheel markets since this type of lugnut was put into service back in the 80's. The corrosion/rust buildup answer between the stainless cap and the actual lug for the most part is an urban legend. The corrosion has happened in a very few cases under extreme circumstances so it became the go to answer, I was trained to tell people that was the issue so they would buy new lugnuts. The real problem is use of impact guns and worn out sockets. A new socket is designed to grip the lugnut on the flats, an excessively worn socket grips the lugnut closer to the ends of the points. When the impact gun is working it is hammering on the stainless cover and when that hammering force is transfered through the points of the lugnut and not the flats as designed the cover will start to rotate back and forth with each impact of the gun. Once it starts to rotate the problem will get progressively worse until sockets will no longer fit. You can also stretch the stainless cap by using an extremely worn socket and not using any impact tools. This is once again caused by the transfer of force from the socket through the cover and to the lugnut not occurring on the flats of the lugnut as designed. If you look closely at the lugnuts you will most likely see the wear pattern from the worn socket and it will be very near the points of the lugnut. A socket in good condition will not leave impact marks on the lugnut. Good impact sockets are expensive but they do wear out over time and shops will not replace them unless they are physically broken. And yes I was a master tire technican that worked in the industry at a production shop.
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Re: My nuts are swollen

When I bought my used travel trailer the first thing I did was to replace the tires/wheels. After breaking three lugs off of one I found the reason: somone previously had managed to drive 12mm lug nuts onto 1/2 studs. I wound up replacing all of the studs and nuts. Good thing I have a press.
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thanks for all the helpful responses folks. Looks like they were just blowing smoke. Went to a different Costco further away, but that I've used in the past. They looked at em, and said the condition isn't great, but not bad either.


Did the work right away, wiggled the socket on just fine. Were surprised the other place refused to do it, and the explanation given. I asked if I should order new lugs for next time, their opinion was I could continue with these for now.


The socket on their torque wrench went on even easier
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This a known issue........... The real problem is use of impact guns and worn out sockets. A new socket is designed to grip the lugnut on the flats, an excessively worn socket grips the lugnut closer to the ends of the points. When the impact gun is working it is hammering on the stainless cover and when that hammering force is transfered through the points of the lugnut and not the flats as designed the cover will start to rotate back and forth with each impact of the gun. Once it starts to rotate the problem will get progressively worse until sockets will no longer fit. ..............
^^^^^ This is correct. Not only heard of it but had it happen to me (2005 Magnum & 2006 300C) and seen it personally on countless others.

I do NOT believe the first Cosco was blowing smoke... I think they were being a bit too cautious yes, BUT the problem IS going to get worse to the point that a standard size lug wrench will no longer fit it / work. Especially if they happen to overtighten a few about the same time the cap starts to completely spin....

Replace them & SOON. Amazon sells Gorilla lugs for cheap and they don't use CAPS, they are solid. Problem wont happen again.
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yup, I hear ya. Planning to buy either gorilla or McGard for the next time. Good advice. At least this Costco went ahead and did it for me this time rather than flat out deny work. I guess it was more about the way they did it, and reasons they gave, along with pressure to buy lug nuts from them the same day. New manager there, and all new service folks as well. The good ones all jumped shipped.
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