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I have the same issue. 7qts of oil w/filter brings it to the add line. It seems it's not totally uncommon. The screwy thing is...why? Same part numbers for dipsticks, visually same length, same oil pans, same tubes, and one vehicle has this issue and the another doesn't.
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I have this same issue on my 14 Overland 5.7. Changed the oil myself and dipstick showed a quart low. Called Chrysler Customer Service and was first told to just buy another quart.
A perfectly reasonable response. The figure in the manual is just a purchasing guide. The manual can't know how gunked up your oil filter or sump is or the temperatures of the oil you drained and the new oil or how long you waited for it to drain or whether you measured the level immediately after you changed or if you ran the car a bit first. The dip-stick tells you round about where the oil level should be under normal conditions. It's the oil level that matters, not the exact quantity. It is critical for the oil level to be within the limits shown on the dip-stick for the lubrication system functions efficiently.
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Re: Oil dip stick

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Sounds strange that they tell you to leave it on the add a quart line isn't it. As the oem dipsticks are cheap at only $12 I bought another one just to check the thought that maybe there was a bad batch of them or something. sure enough the new one also reads add a quart if you only use 7 quarts of oil. bringing the oil level to the full line (not over the full line) just to the full line should be full not a quart over filled.
There are people complaining about this over on the RAM forum also.

Glad to see you were able to get a star case opened on this please keep us posted as you hear things back on this.
At first they said to fill to the full line on dipstick. When I did that, it took almost another full quart to get to the full line. That means there was 8 quarts in the pan. I was not comfortable with this, but I'm not exactly comfortable running it on the add line eventhough it has the required 7 quarts in it.

When I hear from ther dealer, I'll post it here.
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Re: Oil dip stick

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A perfectly reasonable response. The figure in the manual is just a purchasing guide. The manual can't know how gunked up your oil filter or sump is or the temperatures of the oil you drained and the new oil or how long you waited for it to drain or whether you measured the level immediately after you changed or if you ran the car a bit first. The dip-stick tells you round about where the oil level should be under normal conditions. It's the oil level that matters, not the exact quantity. It is critical for the oil level to be within the limits shown on the dip-stick for the lubrication system functions efficiently.
Really? I have owned many other vehicles in my time and all oil changes were made according to the manual's oil capacity specs. This always brought the oil level on the dipstick to the full mark. In other words, my 2002 F-150 calls for 6 quarts with filter, 6 quarts fills to full mark on dipstick. Like others have said, some of these vehicles have this issue and others do not. I am begining to wonder if it has to do with the oil pan. Some have had the updated pan installed and then their oil level came up short. I asked about the updated oil pan when we bought the Jeep because we were having the blue smoke at start-up. I was told by the dealer that our Jeep was not included in the TSB because it was only for Jeeps made before a certain date. Ours was made after the specific date. So... does my Jeep have the updated pan alrerady and this is causing the low level?
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At first they said to fill to the full line on dipstick. When I did that, it took almost another full quart to get to the full line. That means there was 8 quarts in the pan. I was not comfortable with this, but I'm not exactly comfortable running it on the add line eventhough it has the required 7 quarts in it. When I hear from ther dealer, I'll post it here.
DON'T feel comfortable with it at the full line if you have this issue. Mine was filled to this point and started blowing blue smoke on startup -- that's how the problem was discovered on mine. The Hemi isn't real happy with a quart overfill.
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DON'T feel comfortable with it at the full line if you have this issue. Mine was filled to this point and started blowing blue smoke on startup -- that's how the problem was discovered on mine. The Hemi isn't real happy with a quart overfill.
Agreed. That is what happened to me. The dealer was adding an extra quart because of the dipstick reading being wrong after changing my oil pan. The result was blue smoke due to the extra quart. Chrysler said to add no more than 7 quarts no matter what the dipstick read. The problem is an inaccurate dipstick and people are overfilling as a result. Ever since I stuck to the 7 quart fill my smoking problem went away. Chrysler said that I could damage my engine by putting in more than 7 quarts and it would void my engine warranty. Yet they refuse to address the dipstick issue. Gotta love Chrysler.
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Just let them try to say it is your fault if it is filled to the full line (not over) and the engine is damaged.
So you goto the dealer have your oil changed they leave it on add a quart. You dont check it as most people dont you take a trip and stop at gas station gas station checks it says you are a quart low should i add a quart you say yes of course if im a quart low. You drive down the road and engine is damaged. Is that your fault!?! HELL NO its not your fault and its not the gas stations fault either. Let them try to make that your fault that would be a viral video on the internet faster than you can imagine.
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DON'T feel comfortable with it at the full line if you have this issue. Mine was filled to this point and started blowing blue smoke on startup -- that's how the problem was discovered on mine. The Hemi isn't real happy with a quart overfill.
Except Full isnt over filled it is Full. They need to get this straightened out before somone really does damage their engine.
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Re: Oil dip stick

November build here. Same issue. Did my first oil change by my self and after putting in 7qts the dip stick was at the add line. When I picked up my jeep from the dealer I did check the oil level because I supposed to drive it home about 100 miles and wanted to make sure all fluids are good. The original oil level was at 3/4 between add and full. I am not sure if this was from the factory or the dealer has added some oil, but this was the level at the pick-up. So I just added 3/4 qt to make it to the same level. So total after my first oil change is 7 3/4 qts. It makes me worry too because I like to do my own oil changes and I do not want to be blamed later by Chrysler that I was not following the manual. But I am sure I do not want to drive it at the add line too....Hopefully we get this issue fixed.
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Re: Oil dip stick

I'm no mechanic. But if the oil pan is enlarged, it will hold more oil. If you fill the oil pan with extra oil to bring it to the level it was at before the enlargement, how does that harm the engine?

If the pan didn't hold more oil, adding extra would force that extra oil to be occupying places where it should not be. I can see that causing damage. But in the case of a larger pan, I would like to know if someone can explain the mechanics of why that extra oil would be potentially damaging?

Look at it the other way. If they made the oil pan half as large as before, would we still put in 7 quarts? I wouldn't think so (but what do I know...).
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I'm no mechanic. But if the oil pan is enlarged, it will hold more oil. If you fill the oil pan with extra oil to bring it to the level it was at before the enlargement, how does that harm the engine?

If the pan didn't hold more oil, adding extra would force that extra oil to be occupying places where it should not be. I can see that causing damage. But in the case of a larger pan, I would like to know if someone can explain the mechanics of why that extra oil would be potentially damaging?

Look at it the other way. If they made the oil pan half as large as before, would we still put in 7 quarts? I wouldn't think so (but what do I know...).
I asked that same question and Chrysler said the new oil pan wasn't larger, it was shaped different to stop the oil from being too high in the pan at the rear. The problem with the smoke on start up was oil getting into the rear two cylinders and causing smoke on startup when on a slight incline. The reshaped oil pan stopped this from happening. Then if you overfill to satisfy the dipstick, the problem with the smoke came back because by adding extra oil it defeated the reshaped oil pan. This is why Chrysler said to put in no more than 7 quarts no matter what the dipstick read. They said 7 quarts is enough oil to satisfy the engine design needs. Then they refused to do anything about the dipstick. That's why I gave up on Chrysler and changed the dipstick reading myself.
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I asked that same question and Chrysler said the new oil pan wasn't larger, it was shaped different to stop the oil from being too high in the pan at the rear. The problem with the smoke on start up was oil getting into the rear two cylinders and causing smoke on startup when on a slight incline. The reshaped oil pan stopped this from happening. Then if you overfill to satisfy the dipstick, the problem with the smoke came back because by adding extra oil it defeated the reshaped oil pan. This is why Chrysler said to put in no more than 7 quarts no matter what the dipstick read. They said 7 quarts is enough oil to satisfy the engine design needs. Then they refused to do anything about the dipstick. That's why I gave up on Chrysler and changed the dipstick reading myself.
Just ran into this problem myself on a recent oil/filter change. Brought my own 7 quarts of oil per the manual, and drove home. The dip-stick showed oil at the add line. So, I had been over-filling for awhile now, and wondering why I used 3 quarts over 8000 miles. Could be due to overfilling ... IDK for sure, but I'll be making sure I keep it at the add line from now on.
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