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Old 04-06-2014, 07:57 AM
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Re: Oil dip stick

I wonder if the newer builds have the redesigned pan, but they decided not to throw away all those dipsticks. Lee Iacocco said, a long time ago, that saving even a dollar a car adds $100,000 to the bottom line for every 100,000 car built.

My thought is that filling to the full line will not harm the engine. But, if you had the 'smoke on startup' problem before, you will have it again. The dipstick measures the height of the oil relative to the block, not how much oil is in the pan. In time they will probably change the dipstick, or shorten the tube.

I checked my oil, on my early build, after my last oil change. It was at the full mark, and the invoice said 7 quarts.


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I wonder if the newer builds have the redesigned pan, but they decided not to throw away all those dipsticks. Lee Iacocco said, a long time ago, that saving even a dollar a car adds $100,000 to the bottom line for every 100,000 car built. My thought is that filling to the full line will not harm the engine. But, if you had the 'smoke on startup' problem before, you will have it again. The dipstick measures the height of the oil relative to the block, not how much oil is in the pan. In time they will probably change the dipstick, or shorten the tube. I checked my oil, on my early build, after my last oil change. It was at the full mark, and the invoice said 7 quarts. ---
Bill -- I have to disagree here about it not being harmful. I never had the smoke on startup until my first oil change where they filled to the "full" line...which turns out to be a bit over 8qts. THEN I got rather noticeable smoke on startup--on LEVEL surfaces (not an incline). That's when I drained it, added 7qts and discovered the discrepancy when that only brought it to the "add" line. If it was causing smoke on startup on a level surface it's definitely loading up the rings at that time as the crank must be dipping low enough to fling all that up onto the cylinder walls. While I doubt it's enough of an overfill to cause aeration of the oil while running, loading up rings with oil like that isn't good in the long run.
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Old 08-06-2014, 10:32 AM
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Re: Oil dip stick

Anyone ever hear anymore about this thing with the dipstick showing add a quart after you put in 7 quarts of oil after an oil change? Wrong dipstick length? wrong dip stick tube length? wrong amount stated in book, they forgot to include the filter when they stated 7 quarts? (doubt its this one) Several people including dealers have shown there to be a descrepancy here just wondered if any conclusions had been reached anywhere. I think one dealer even had a star case opened on it if i remember right.
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Anyone ever hear anymore about this thing with the dipstick showing add a quart after you put in 7 quarts of oil after an oil change? Wrong dipstick length? wrong dip stick tube length? wrong amount stated in book, they forgot to include the filter when they stated 7 quarts? (doubt its this one) Several people including dealers have shown there to be a descrepancy here just wondered if any conclusions had been reached anywhere. I think one dealer even had a star case opened on it if i remember right.
I just changed my 2015 v8 and put it exactly 7 quarts. The dipstick has oil at the very bottom 1/4 inch....way below the add line. Do I add more or no?
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I just changed my 2015 v8 and put it exactly 7 quarts. The dipstick has oil at the very bottom 1/4 inch....way below the add line. Do I add more or no?
So the 2015s still have this going on, crazy. I was never comfortable leaving mine on add a quart after a 7 quart oil change. If i put in the extra 8th quart to bring it to the full line (not over) what i found was that it just burns off oil slowly (cant see it) until its half way up the hashed area and then it just stays there and never uses anymore. So i imagine it is over filling it even though the dip stick indicates its just fine at the full line. Full isnt over filled its full, right. So what i do now on an oil change is to just fill it halfway up the hashed area (7.5 quarts) and it stays there the 6000-7000 before the next change and uses none. that makes it a half quart low or a half qurat high or maybe right on who knows, either one not likely to cause an issue but a full quart too much or too little not as comfotable doing that. My guess is either the dip stick or the dip stick tube is not the correct length making it read wrong by a quart but that is just my guess. The 2015s still coming off the line with screwed up dip stick measurements unbelievable they cant get something as simple as that correct still!. Good luck

Also i have never had any visable smoke like some do but makes me wonder though if those issues with the 5.7s blowing blue smoke was just a result of people filling their oil to the full line where you would think it should be only to be over filling and blowing the blue smoke ?
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So the 2015s still have this going on, crazy. I was never comfortable leaving mine on add a quart after a 7 quart oil change. If i put in the extra 8th quart to bring it to the full line (not over) what i found was that it just burns off oil slowly (cant see it) until its half way up the hashed area and then it just stays there and never uses anymore. So i imagine it is over filling it even though the dip stick indicates its just fine at the full line. Full isnt over filled its full, right. So what i do now on an oil change is to just fill it halfway up the hashed area (7.5 quarts) and it stays there the 6000-7000 before the next change and uses none. that makes it a half quart low or a half qurat high or maybe right on who knows, either one not likely to cause an issue but a full quart too much or too little not as comfotable doing that. My guess is either the dip stick or the dip stick tube is not the correct length making it read wrong by a quart but that is just my guess. The 2015s still coming off the line with screwed up dip stick measurements unbelievable they cant get something as simple as the correct still!. Good luck
Very interesting! Thanks for the reply. It is a very strange situation. I thought it heard some clatter for 3 seconds after starting up the second time, so either it's a little low, it's the new type of oil/filter, or the new oil is still working it self into the filter and engine. I'll see how it does tomorrow.
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Re: Oil dip stick

I change my own oil, but I asked a service technician at the dealership about this and he said the correct amount is 7.5 quarts (at least for the V8) even though the manual says 7. He said that for some reason Chrysler doesn't accurately account for the extra 0.5 qt. for the filter. 7.5 keeps mine right in the middle of the "safe" area on the dipstick and it hasn't used a drop between changes.
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I change my own oil, but I asked a service technician at the dealership about this and he said the correct amount is 7.5 quarts (at least for the V8) even though the manual says 7. He said that for some reason Chrysler doesn't accurately account for the extra 0.5 qt. for the filter. 7.5 keeps mine right in the middle of the "safe" area on the dipstick and it hasn't used a drop between changes.
That is good to know he is acknowledging it. Still if it is 7.5 that should bring it to the full line and it doesnt. Take it to the full line and it burns off that half quart which isnt right. So something still not quite right
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I change my own oil, but I asked a service technician at the dealership about this and he said the correct amount is 7.5 quarts (at least for the V8) even though the manual says 7. He said that for some reason Chrysler doesn't accurately account for the extra 0.5 qt. for the filter. 7.5 keeps mine right in the middle of the "safe" area on the dipstick and it hasn't used a drop between changes.

I had the smoke on start up issue and the oil pan has been replaced. I talked to an engineer at Chrysler and he said not to put in any more than 7 quarts. I explained the dipstick issue and he again said not to put in more than 7 quarts. He also said that the filter is accounted for in the 7 quarts. Chrysler has refused to address the dipstick problem even though they know it reads wrong. What I did is grind off the factory markings and engraved on the correct markings. Now my dipstick reads correct.
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I had the smoke on start up issue and the oil pan has been replaced. I talked to an engineer at Chrysler and he said not to put in any more than 7 quarts. I explained the dipstick issue and he again said not to put in more than 7 quarts. He also said that the filter is accounted for in the 7 quarts. Chrysler has refused to address the dipstick problem even though they know it reads wrong. What I did is grind off the factory markings and engraved on the correct markings. Now my dipstick reads correct.
Thanks for the info. What a mess. Maybe I'll wait then to add any more.
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So I added over a half a quart (on top of the initial 7). It is now JUST at the add dot. And I mean just barely. What is going on? It is driving well and smooth, but I'm not sure what I should do.
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So I added over a half a quart (on top of the initial 7). It is now JUST at the add dot. And I mean just barely. What is going on? It is driving well and smooth, but I'm not sure what I should do.
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