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Oil Pan Gasket!

When I brought our new 2016 GC Summit 5.7L home last week and it sat in the garage over the weekend, I noticed two spots of engine oil on the floor. I got underneath and noticed the two bolts in the rear corners of the pan was wet. My first impression was that they had pinched or missed the gasket? I had an appointment this morning and my impression proved correct. I just received a call from the service dept. and they said that the gasket had been pinched. The only way to get the pan off, is to drop the front axle. Big job for a gasket that was ruined during engine assembly in "Mexico!" Of course they had to order the gasket, supposed to be in Wednesday? Bummer for sure, I just hope that the techs can get it back together better than they did the first time?

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Re: Oil Pan Gasket!

Hey John sorry to hear about your problem. Once you get your Jeep back can you take a picture where it is leaking? Because I just change my oil on my Jeep and I have notice that I have a wet spot behind the oil pan but it is not dripping on my Jeep.
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Hey John sorry to hear about your problem. Once you get your Jeep back can you take a picture where it is leaking? Because I just change my oil on my Jeep and I have notice that I have a wet spot behind the oil pan but it is not dripping on my Jeep.
Mine was leaking at the two rear corners, just in front of the transmission mounting bracket. Since your GC is two years old it wouldn't be the same issue. My gasket or seal was pinched at the time of assembly and started leaking as soon as it was driven. Poor workmanship, "South of the Border!"
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Re: Oil Pan Gasket!

Add me to the list... 2016 GC Overland 5.7.

I noticed some oil spots and could smell the burnt oil odor. Dipstick showed full so I figured it might be transmission fluid. Took to dealer last week, and he said it was trans leaking from around the bell housing... scheduled to replace transmission / warranty blah blah blah...

Today I get the call from dealer service dept, they have the trans out and believe that it's leaking from oil pan.

Now I wonder if it was ever leaking from the trans at all? Either way, I'm getting a new transmission and a new oil pan. .. all in 30 days and 2500 miles.

thinking bad things about my new car...


*Edit - Dealer provided me with a loaner car... so I checked in at the shop and spoke to the mechanic working on my car. He said both were definitely leaking, and that he'd seen a few just like this. He did assure me that all would be good as new when he was finished. I sure hope so.


Its covered under warranty, they are providing me with a loaner car, and I'll give them a chance to fix it. It does confirm my stance on extended warranties... things that are poorly assembled will tend to fail early. If I see any other issues before the warranty expires, I'll probably be trading off.
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My gasket or seal was pinched at the time of assembly and started leaking as soon as it was driven. Poor workmanship, "South of the Border!"
That's a silly thing to say. Seriously.

It's not poor workmanship. It's an improper install out of thousands done each year. Poor workmanship would result in a widespread problem defective units.

If it had been done in the US, people would be talking about poor workmanship in US built products, which would be the case with the widespread issues with paint quality many have reported with recent model years.
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That's a silly thing to say. Seriously.

It's not poor workmanship. It's an improper install out of thousands done each year. Poor workmanship would result in a widespread problem defective units.

If it had been done in the US, people would be talking about poor workmanship in US built products, which would be the case with the widespread issues with paint quality many have reported with recent model years.

Hard to say if it's poor workmanship, poor QC, or ??? I give the benefit of doubt (usually) and let the warranty serve it's purpose. I do find it disconcerting that I had an oil pan leak, AND a transmission leak on a brand new vehicle..... and in my conversation with the dealer tech, it's not an uncommon thing. Gaskets are a funny thing, if you get in a hurry or aren't paying attention during install they WILL leak. I don't see this as a potential source of trouble down the line, just an annoyance right now. But it does get my radar up. I will be going over it with a fine tooth comb for a while to make sure it's all good. Trust is easy to lose and hard to earn back.
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Hard to say if it's poor workmanship, poor QC, or ???
Probably none of the above. It's a mistake, nothing more, that got through the system on your vehicle. Someone had a bad first build after lunch one day.

My response was to the implication that it being assembled in Mexico was somehow the reason for it. If it were, it would be limited to such a small pool of product.

The definition of poor workmanship or poor QC would require widespread problems. Isolated incidents don't qualify. If this was a widespread issue, we'd be seeing tons of posts on it the way we did with the early 2014 shifting issues with the V6 8-speed transmission.

I see this same thing on Amazon all the time with reviews. A product could have 500 4 and 5 star reviews, but one guy who gets a bad one will disparage the fact that that it was made in China as if that's automatically the reason. The fact is, some of the very best and very worst products are now made there. The place of assembly is irrelevant when it comes to quality. That goes for Canada, Mexico, Korea, India, Bangladesh or the USA, too.

Bad units come off the line no matter where something was made, how much it costs or what the product is, be it transmissions or ham sandwiches. The key is that it doesn't become a habit.
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Probably none of the above. It's a mistake, nothing more, that got through the system on your vehicle. Someone had a bad first build after lunch one day.

My response was to the implication that it being assembled in Mexico was somehow the reason for it. If it were, it would be limited to such a small pool of product.

The definition of poor workmanship or poor QC would require widespread problems. Isolated incidents don't qualify. If this was a widespread issue, we'd be seeing tons of posts on it the way we did with the early 2014 shifting issues with the V6 8-speed transmission.

I see this same thing on Amazon all the time with reviews. A product could have 500 4 and 5 star reviews, but one guy who gets a bad one will disparage the fact that that it was made in China as if that's automatically the reason. The fact is, some of the very best and very worst products are now made there. The place of assembly is irrelevant when it comes to quality. That goes for Canada, Mexico, Korea, India, Bangladesh or the USA, too.

Bad units come off the line no matter where something was made, how much it costs or what the product is, be it transmissions or ham sandwiches. The key is that it doesn't become a habit.
Well now, where to start? First of all, I don't consider a oil pan gasket installed incorrectly, silly! I still consider it "poor workmanship!" Another poster has stated the same problem with another 2016 GC. Secondly, as for "a small pool of product," every 5.7 Hemi has been assembled in Mexico for the past 16 years! I received my new GC back yesterday and the oil leak is worse than before. Took it back to the dealership this morning and went straight to the service manager. Apparently after some research, he determined that this has been an issue on some 2016 5.7L engines. There seems to have been a change made in the "assembly process" and they are "investigating the process?" So now my new $60000.00 GC is sitting at the dealership, and I'm in a Chrysler 200 loaner, for who knows how long? So, I guess all of this leads me to my point..... don't call someone "silly" before you have all the "facts!" Because then you may end up being the "silly" one?
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Well now, where to start? First of all, I don't consider a oil pan gasket installed incorrectly, silly! I still consider it "poor workmanship!" Another poster has stated the same problem with another 2016 GC. Secondly, as for "a small pool of product," every 5.7 Hemi has been assembled in Mexico for the past 16 years! I received my new GC back yesterday and the oil leak is worse than before. Took it back to the dealership this morning and went straight to the service manager. Apparently after some research, he determined that this has been an issue on some 2016 5.7L engines. There seems to have been a change made in the "assembly process" and they are "investigating the process?" So now my new $60000.00 GC is sitting at the dealership, and I'm in a Chrysler 200 loaner, for who knows how long? So, I guess all of this leads me to my point..... don't call someone "silly" before you have all the "facts!" Because then you may end up being the "silly" one?

You call it workmanship assuming it was a person that installed the gasket. Engine assembly plants are highly automated. There is a good chance in my opinion that it was a piece of automated equipment that installed the gasket. The thing with automated equipment is they do the exact same thing over and over. So if there is an issue with the process the same mistake will be made over and over. I am not saying this is what happened its just a possibility in my opinion.
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You call it workmanship assuming it was a person that installed the gasket. Engine assembly plants are highly automated. There is a good chance in my opinion that it was a piece of automated equipment that installed the gasket. The thing with automated equipment is they do the exact same thing over and over. So if there is an issue with the process the same mistake will be made over and over. I am not saying this is what happened its just a possibility in my opinion.
I can't say for sure about the amount of automation at the Mexico engine assembly plant, I do know that $6.00 an hour employees are much cheaper than automated equipment! My dealership that installed the second one is not "automated!" Either way I call it poor workmanship. It should have been spotted somewhere along the way before I brought it home and found it immediately! It leaked every time it was parked in one place for more than one hour! You make excuses, which is easy to do when you are not the one being inconvenienced. I'll call it what it is, you call it whatever you like.
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I can't say for sure about the amount of automation at the Mexico engine assembly plant, I do know that $6.00 an hour employees are much cheaper than automated equipment! My dealership that installed the second one is not "automated!" Either way I call it poor workmanship. It should have been spotted somewhere along the way before I brought it home and found it immediately! It leaked every time it was parked in one place for more than one hour! You make excuses, which is easy to do when you are not the one being inconvenienced. I'll call it what it is, you call it whatever you like.

I was not making excuses. I was just pointing out that engine assembly plants are highly automated (Including Plants in Mexico) and how this might have happened. It sounds to me like this is a problem with your dealer more than anything. Are you sure its the pan that's even leaking? If they replaced the gasket and it still has a leak it sounds to me like maybe the oil is coming from something higher up on the engine and leaking down? Whatever the case a good service department should be able to troubleshoot and repair this. I have owned 3 5.7 hemi's over the years and I have never had any leaks.
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Probably none of the above. It's a mistake, nothing more, that got through the system on your vehicle. Someone had a bad first build after lunch one day.



Bad units come off the line no matter where something was made, how much it costs or what the product is, be it transmissions or ham sandwiches. The key is that it doesn't become a habit.

If that were true there would be jetliners falling out of the sky every day.....It is lack of quality control and a process that is not been truly proven and vetted to 6Sigma standards. Things as automated as engine building, transmission building, etc. that are done in the automotive world the same way the same thing every day, have the opportunity to be perfected so that defects are measured in the occurrences per million. If the aerospace or healthcare industry accepted the same amount of defects that certain brands of automobiles do in the world ...the world would be a lot more dangerous place....


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