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Haha. I drive a WK2 Overland, but 45K luxury SUV? I would certainly not call it that. 45K is not much these days. I mean a fully optioned Edge is near the same price and certainly not luxury. You have to have realistic expectations of the vehicle.
I honestly don't care what an Edge prices out at, the WK2 IS a luxury SUV, the Edge is a crossover. There's so much good about the new platform and IMHO the drivetrain does this vehicle a disservice. I'm 100% realistic and $45K is a price point where crude drivetrains are simply unacceptable regardless what you call it.
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Re: Overland question

Wrong again. It is a 33k SUV (Laredo base price) with 15k in options. It is just a nice dressed up average SUV. That said, I love mine.
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Wrong again. It is a 33k SUV (Laredo base price) with 15k in options. It is just a nice dressed up average SUV. That said, I love mine.
Thats like comparing a Cadillac CTS with a CTSV and saying its dressed up $35k sedan. Not sure if i follow your logic.
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Thats like comparing a Cadillac CTS with a CTSV and saying its dressed up $35k sedan. Not sure if i follow your logic.
He's just trying to convince himself that the lack of drivetrain sophistication is OK since he has a cheap truck......
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Haha. I drive a WK2 Overland, but 45K luxury SUV? I would certainly not call it that. 45K is not much these days. I mean a fully optioned Edge is near the same price and certainly not luxury. You have to have realistic expectations of the vehicle.
Jeep has been pretty clear about their target market here. Don't forget that the Summit can be optioned pretty close to or above $50k.

Read any article about Marchionne's vision for Jeep. They aren't going after Honda Pilot or Toyota Highlander buyers, although they may get them. They are very clearly trying to compete with the Land Rover's, MB ML's, and maybe even the MDX's of the world. I think the body of this car looks pretty similar to a X5. It certainly doesn't look like a Nissan Pathfinder or Chevy Tahoe. What do the lines and stance of this vehicle say about its target market?

But assuming you are right about $45k not being considered luxury territory and we even throw a Ford Edge into the mix, this Hemi drivetrain is much rougher around the edges than that or any of the vehicles I mentioned above. Other parts of the Jeep package, the "luxury" items, might be better. But the basic drivetrain refinement just isn't there. If this was a Kia Sorrento I might not be surprised to discover some odd quirks after months of driving. But even in that platform I would probably expect far less rough patches than this car has.

You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. In this case, the car looks beautiful and does A LOT of things right. But Chrysler screwed up on the basics. In 2011 there is no excuse for an automatic transmission vehicle to have jerky shifts, surge or chug down the road, or feel like the front and rear axles can't work together in harmony. So taking the argument about "luxury" out of the equation the premise still stands. It's ridiculous that MANY people have noticed these "design characteristics" and had to complain about them.

For a vehicle platform that reportedly saw 4 million miles of real world testing prior to its launch, you would think SOMEONE would have noticed this. I would still love to know how many of those miles were performed on the Hemi platform. I for one am pretty pissed at Chrysler for their position on this matter and their design philosophy. If I had known the true driving characteristics of this car I would have never bought it. But if their cars aren't designed to show their true colors for 1,000 - 2,000 miles how could I have been the wiser? If passengers notice the odd behavior of what is seemingly a pretty expensive vehicle, something is wrong. I feel like I have been duped by Chrysler.
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Re: Overland question

Long time Jeep owner here. The GC has always seemed to be high priced, my Y2000 very basic Laredo listed at 33K, but with unmatched off road capability for the class. More truck than car. Some may call that being a pig, but pigs do enjoy the mud and come back over and over again . That sophisticated and effective capability often leads to what seems to be rough around the edges to the boulevard cruiser crowd. Other brands seem to want to please the boulevard cruisers and then pretend to have some utility, scared the heck of the mud... rounding off al the hard edge character traits.. it works. Until Jeep decides to compromise off road ruggedness to satisfy the boulevard cruiser's often misguided and anal desires its going to seem rough to some... but fun... and different... just miles of smiles. Sounds like many so called experts here do not understand the aspects of building a capable, reliable off road machine. Jeep has done a nice job.

I suppose for economy, Jeep uses the same engines and transmissions as other rear drive chrysler products, RAMs, Challengers, Chargers.... and they all have the same so called issues. But they are a lot more fun to drive than all those underpowered soft vehicles that the pampered elite seem to prefer. I want to feel my vehicle working under me. We need a good manual shifter
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Re: Overland question

There's NOTHING about improving the driveline sophistication that would take away from the offroad capabilities, you need to step away from the Jeep kool-aid.

I doubt they would have gone through the expense to redesigned the 2012 transmission for the V8 if they felt the 545 was the best they could do. It's obvious they made do with what they had and did a pretty darn good job considering they were BANKRUPT while they were completing this vehicle.

But I digress, I'm not as pissed as litespeedz, I really do like my Overland and don't feel duped at all. I'm just saying that it's a shame they weren't able to sort out the tranny/converter prior to introduction. I still enjoy driving it and have grown to accept it's idiosyncrasies as just the nature of the beast. The interim trans for 2012 and the ZF that should find it's way into the WK2 in 2013 or 2014 should pretty much remove all the negatives the current V8 has.
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Re: Overland question

Anyone have any updates on this issue?
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Re: Overland question

I was just going to start a thread about this today, the last couple of days it seems to be doing this more often. I don't get why with the same trans and engine as the last WK it has this issue. I'm thinking after a year I'll be getting a Ford Raptor, especially after seeing the price of the SRT8 Jeep.
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Re: Overland question

I think we all have to understand that they design a car it works great then they have to tune it to the market. EPA gas mileage is what's happening to all these cars...my torque converter locks up from 45-55 pulsing in and out. Then it dumps into a top gear before it's time all to please for MPG. Still love the jeep wouldn't trade it when there's 12 inches of snow or a 20 inch lake covering the road!
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Re: Overland question

2006 overland from a stop, once the rpm reaches a bit passed 1500 i can tell that it is not very smooth , especially in traffic stopping and going makes me almost nauseous
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Re: Overland question

mine still has this issue - i've gotten used to it though. drives great other than this, so i'm assuming its just the nature of the beast.
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