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Re: Paint Rock Chip Damage is Extreme

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Well i can tell you my RX8 went throught the same road conditions all winter, it has the same protective film, and it is undamaged after 7 winters. I can also say its physically the clearcoat that is chipped and not just some spray and dirt on top of the paint. Something is clearly wrong.
After looking that that door edge photo zoomed in it does look like all the paint is gone there but I still believe rocks are not the reason for the issue he has. I would say he ran over some caustic chemical. It takes a real nasty impact to go through not only the protective film and clear coat but to go through the basecoat so you can now see the primer and to me small rocks or gravel should not be able to cause this damage that quickly and easily. Mine has no chips at all on it and my tires stick way out now and still no issues with chips. Also, the stock wheels and tires are set in to the wheel wells so far that rocks flinging out of the tread down the sides of the vehicle should be a non issue for the most part.
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Re: Paint Rock Chip Damage is Extreme

a rock and some mag chloride they use for ice in lots of states.......the rock does the bra damage and the mag chloride makes it white. i have hits like that in my front lip that has a clear bra. not many but some/
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Re: Paint Rock Chip Damage is Extreme

I will try and post pic's to back you up Blackberry mines the same , on the paint and 3M plastic. I think its just to hard to grasp for some that Jeep messed up this bad.
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I will try and post pic's to back you up Blackberry mines the same , on the paint and 3M plastic. I think its just to hard to grasp for some that Jeep messed up this bad.
What do you guys have on the roads up there? 99.9% of us are not having issues. My paint seems to be holding up just as well as any other vehicle I have ever owned.
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What do you guys have on the roads up there? 99.9% of us are not having issues. My paint seems to be holding up just as well as any other vehicle I have ever owned.
I agree. 11,200 miles including last March here in upstate NY. Mostly asphalt and a little dirt roads. Just some tar spots which are easily removed.
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a rock and some mag chloride they use for ice in lots of states.......the rock does the bra damage and the mag chloride makes it white. i have hits like that in my front lip that has a clear bra. not many but some/
Calcium chloride is often used as well because it is better at melting snow and ice and it is even more damaging then magnesium chloride. Calcium chloride is extremely hygroscopic (spontaneously absorbs water) and said hygroscopic reaction is also highly exothermic (releases tons of heat). In layman's terms if it contacts water based paints it sucks all the moisture right out of them and then burns them until they peel off. Temps seen when dissolving calcium chloride in water can exceed 200*F such that the water nearly boils.
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I think its just to hard to grasp for some that Jeep messed up this bad.
Look...I've owned a Jeep for a month and a half...I'm no "Jeep fanboy" that drinks the "Jeep cool-aid"...I'm just telling you that as someone who has been a professional and hobbiest detailer for 15 years I have detailed HUNDREDS of cars, from pretty much every auto manufacturer there is and have seen all kinds of damage, and I have never seen anything like that where the plastic, the paint, and the clear-bra material are all damaged in the same way. Given my understanding of those materials, and the way they get damaged when exposed to different chemicals, and debris the vehicle comes in contact with...that just makes zero sense.

Those things are all manufactured by different companies too, the plastic cladding comes from one company, the clear-bra material likely comes from 3M, so to say "Jeep screwed up" just doesn't make sense. If it was crappy paint, you'd have heavy chipping and damage on the front as well, and the areas protected by the clear bra and the plastic would be undamaged. In the picture posted above, even the front of the step bar is damaged...

Something is being used on the roads in these localities that is just destroying these cars. If I were you I would contact your local DOT and find out what they use.
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Re: Paint Rock Chip Damage is Extreme

If it were the road chemicals, the front end would be as bad or worse
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Re: Paint Rock Chip Damage is Extreme

But the same thing is true if it were some flaw in the vehicle's paint...
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Re: Paint Rock Chip Damage is Extreme

This is getting stanger and stranger. I am anxiously awaiting the "real" answer.
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Re: Paint Rock Chip Damage is Extreme

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If it were the road chemicals, the front end would be as bad or worse
Same goes for if they are gravel chips. If the sides are that bad the front bumper would be 10 times as bad for 2 reasons. Number one the paint they use to paint the plastic is of different softer composition vs the paint they use on metal body parts so it should chip easier and number 2 unless he never follows behind anyone else the other cars would be flinging gravel right at his front bumper. The whole thing is really weird and if it was flinging that much gravel up the sides to do that kind of damage the driver would be well aware of it happening. He says he hardly ever drives down gravel roads so unless DOT is putting something down on the paved roads something does not add up here. Either way I see such damage to not only the paint but to the textured black plastic which looks melted or sand blasted in pics as road hazard damage not a manufacturer defect of any kind.
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Re: Paint Rock Chip Damage is Extreme

It's the way the fenders are shaped. It leads to a whole lot of Crap getting kicked up and hitting that one spot. During our snow storm this weekend I noticed how much of the wet sticky snow was clinging there.

I also doubt the plastic protector is actually 3M...
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