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Re: Paint Rock Chip Damage is Extreme

Mudflaps are also not good for those wanting to go offroad. Can easy be caught on rocks, tree branches, etc.
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Re: Paint Rock Chip Damage is Extreme

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I for one am glad the mudflaps don't come standard. I personally think they are ugly and they should be offered as an option (which they are) for those who drive in conditions that warrant mudflaps.
Apparently according to Blackberry you must work for Jeep LOL
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Re: Paint Rock Chip Damage is Extreme

Thanks SW03ES for your comments. Your level of understanding of all things automotive is remarkable.

As I had mentioned in a previous post, there were a couple, well maybe one member in particular that suffered from the “Know it all syndrome”.

It amazed me how this individual could assess damage to a vehicle through a few jpg’s and come up with scenarios and damage assessments that were contrary to 6 other members who have the same damage, 2 body shop experts and a Chrysler Service manager who visually inspected the Jeep. Truly a gift!

Upon further examination of the individual’s career choice (realtor,) it all started to make sense. The two weeks of vocational study to achieve such a high level of education surely provided degrees in aerodynamics, automotive design and repair, accident investigation and civil engineering.

I am truly humbled by the level of intellect and knowledge that this individual possesses. I had always made the assumption that black was black and white was white. But as it turns out after reading some of his other posts I now know white is black and black is white. Meaning that he will never agree with anything just to try and prove a point.

I wish him continued success and that the years in high school are behind him when he was bullied for being such a self centered and obnoxious individual.
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Re: Paint Rock Chip Damage is Extreme

Blackberry, I would not bother with the know it all's that troll on here, they should just rackoff and STFU.
In Australia all the JGC's come with mudflaps standard. I suspect there is a paint problem with the Blackberry colour, I had a similar problem with my Ford that seemed to chip the pain just by looking at it. I bet it has a lot to do with the new water based paints that the environmentalists make the car makers use.
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:22 PM
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Re: Paint Rock Chip Damage is Extreme

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Thanks SW03ES for your comments. Your level of understanding of all things automotive is remarkable.

As I had mentioned in a previous post, there were a couple, well maybe one member in particular that suffered from the “Know it all syndrome”.

It amazed me how this individual could assess damage to a vehicle through a few jpg’s and come up with scenarios and damage assessments that were contrary to 6 other members who have the same damage, 2 body shop experts and a Chrysler Service manager who visually inspected the Jeep. Truly a gift!

Upon further examination of the individual’s career choice (realtor,) it all started to make sense. The two weeks of vocational study to achieve such a high level of education surely provided degrees in aerodynamics, automotive design and repair, accident investigation and civil engineering.

I am truly humbled by the level of intellect and knowledge that this individual possesses. I had always made the assumption that black was black and white was white. But as it turns out after reading some of his other posts I now know white is black and black is white. Meaning that he will never agree with anything just to try and prove a point.

I wish him continued success and that the years in high school are behind him when he was bullied for being such a self centered and obnoxious individual.
Look, you're the one who chooses to make this personal. I'm not just some schmo off the street, like I said before I have a lot of experience detailing, polishing, and correcting paint defects on cars since I used to be in the auto detailing industry. I'm not making that experience up. I stand by what I said, it is not possible for rock chipping to cause the identical sort of damage to the PAINT, PLASTIC, and 3M PROTECTIVE FILM. I have seen lots of paint that has been damaged by rocks, have sanded out, touched up and corrected that paint countless times. I have never, ever seen that type of damage to a vehicle. I have never seen 3M paint protective film damaged in that way EVER in any application, even on heavily damaged and sandblasted front ends of cars where the paint required a complete repaint...the film was undamaged.

Rock chips CANNOT be removed by machine polishing. They simply CANNOT be, I know because I have machined polished over them countless, countless times. The fact that polishing removed whatever that damage was is proof that whatever it was/is was contained within the clearcoat. A paint chip goes through the clearcoat into the color coat or too the metal, the only way to repair such a thing is with paint.

I never said your vehicle wasn't damaged, I simply said it was not caused by run of the mill gravel, sand, or salt put on the roads, or by something having to do with the Jeep's design...an opinion that was shared with several other members on the thread. Whatever it was was incredibly more destructive than that, my thought is something chemical, or perhaps the sort of heavy sharp volcanic rock someone else mentioned here, and should you come into contact with whatever that was again...I don't think mudflaps or 3M protective film will help you (obviously, since it damaged the 3M protective film that was already on there)...

If thats such an awful thing for me to say that you would choose to take the time to somehow research what I do for a living in an attempt to insult me personally, I think you need to get a life. I was never disrespectful or rude to you as you have chosen to be to me. You obviously aren't interested in anybody else's opinions about what caused your damage and how to prevent it from happening again...you just want to bitch and whine and blame everybody else for your problems. Message received.
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Re: Paint Rock Chip Damage is Extreme

enough of the personal attacks...we have VERY FEW rules here...but that is one that I will not tolerate. We are here to help our fellow Jeepers...not insult and berate.
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Old 02-04-2012, 02:27 AM
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I've never had it happen to me, but what kind of damage could happen to your vehicle when you pass by one of the "salt" trucks, or it passes you? Wouldn't the salt rocks coated in noxious chemicals spray those unlucky vehicles at a height similar to where blackberry's damage was? I would think it would be like getting lit up by a machine gun. And, depending on where you live and the harsh conditions that may present there, those unlucky vehicles could perhaps get "sprayed" up pretty often with the amount of snow removal trucks operating. Either way, this came up on google when I typed "salt pellets car damage," and it provides a bit of good tips for those in Canada (or other places with harsh winters)
http://www.carpages.ca/blog/2011/11/...s-this-winter/


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enough of the personal attacks...we have VERY FEW rules here...but that is one that I will not tolerate. We are here to help our fellow Jeepers...not insult and berate.
Amen to that. We can leave the verbal dumpster diving to the politicians.

BTW, slightly OT but in beaucoup years of driving and vehicles, I've never before seen a windshield that gets so pitted so fast as that on the WK2. Presumably this has to do with the eggy aerodynamics needed for optimizing mileage, but can't they try Gorilla glass or something better than what they use now? Seems silly that smartphone glass is protected, but not windshields.
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Re: Paint Rock Chip Damage is Extreme

I just got through reading this thread and it does have me a little concerned. I do live in the South but in the mountains where we can get alot of snow every few winters or so and sure don't want my Jeep to look beat up on the side. I went out and looked at the front wheels and I can see how they could throw gravels down the side of the vehicle due to the sloping in of the side panel. Another factor I haven't seen mentioned is the width of the tires. The Laredo has 245/70-17 wich have a tred width of 7.7 inches (tire rack.com) while the 265/60-18 is 8.7 inches and the 265/50-20 has a tred width of 8.3 inches. That extra .5 to 1 inch can possibly make a big difference when throwing debris compared to the base model tire size. I have an older Chevy truck that I put 285's in place of the stock 265's and it was a world of difference it what got thrown on the side of the truck and suspect this may be the case for the WK2 Jeep. I will watch the side of mine closely and if I do start to notice damage then I guess I will get those ugly mud flaps for the front but I am hoping the smaller width of my base model tires will lessen the damage.
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I guess I will get those ugly mud flaps for the front but I am hoping the smaller width of my base model tires will lessen the damage.
Beauty, beholder and all that, but IMO the oem front and back mudflaps aren't ugly. Not beautiful either, at least on our dark (cherry red) Overland -- to us, they're pretty much attractiveness-neutral. Who knows, but it might be a different story with light-colored paint.
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Re: Paint Rock Chip Damage is Extreme

If you guys are woried about the looks, another option would be putting the 3M film along both sides of the vehicle up to the chrome trim on the door and extending the film up to the top of rear wheel well. A bit more costly but it'll work and easily replaced. The mud flaps look okay on mine and blend in with the blackberry paint.

tnjeep has avalid point, I've got the Overland with the 20's and the 1/2" wider profile could be the reason for more damage.

I did have all of the damage wet sanded along the sides and in front of the rear wheel and they were able to get it to the point where you don't notice it if you're more the a couple of feet away.

Unfortunately the area above the factory installed 3M is still somewhat noticeable from about 3 feet away. They were afraid to burn through the clear coat when they were wet sanding so I'll leave it for now.

With mudflaps front and back, along with running boards and the 3M I'm pretty confident I shouldn't see another rock chip.

Regarding the pitting on the windshield, I haven't had any issues and the front of the GC is chip free. 3M is on that now as a precaution.

There's also another post, "Sandblasted in CO" who experienced the same issues that some of us have had with rockchips.
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Beauty, beholder and all that, but IMO the oem front and back mudflaps aren't ugly. Not beautiful either, at least on our dark (cherry red) Overland -- to us, they're pretty much attractiveness-neutral. Who knows, but it might be a different story with light-colored paint.
Sorry, didn't mean to sound so direct. I just think with the small OEM tires and silver paint that the guards won't look as good as on other paint/wheel configurations. I also think that the mud guards hang down too low. I will probably still end up getting them if I start to notice damage though.
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