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Boring sure...but everything always works.
Until your '07 Accord's automatic bites the dust with just 42K miles. I used to think Hondas were the benchmark for reliability and except for this major issue, it was a great vehicle. Turns out the '03-'07 Accords with the V6 engines have had issues with transmission failures. (Even got a mention in import loving Consumer Reports).
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Not to mention that Acura had to extend transmission warranties around the same time for the TLs.... and my 2011 TL, while a great car, shuddered on the 1 - 2 shift and then got an extended warranty for the torque converter because they were failing on cars.
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Boring sure...but everything always works.
My wife drives a 2007 Pilot that now has over 152,000 miles on it. Honestly I've always been a little disappointed in the build quality, the lack of standard features, and maintenance costs. I replaced the radiator at 105,000 miles due a leak (common complaint) and the timing belt was replaced at 100,000 miles at a cost of over $800 for all of the parts and labor.

We previously had a '96 Cherokee, '02 Grand Cherokee (replaced by Pilot), '03 Liberty, and now a 2012 Grand Cherokee that replaced the Liberty. None of the Jeeps required as much in maintenance and repairs at the Pilot and they were all owned by us for a minimum of 125,000 miles.

I'm not saying the Pilot is bad, rather the Jeeps have been better and less expensive for us to own. I think Honda's reputation is based on quality 20 years ago and not today.
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I posted this before. It's just one of many instances that show the superior quality of Japanese vehicles today.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/09/bu...time.html?_r=0
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I posted this before. It's just one of many instances that show the superior quality of Japanese vehicles today.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/09/bu...time.html?_r=0
Yes, Toyota QC has gone down in recent years.

But I owned my 2005 4Runner for about 7 years & the only issue was with the exhaust. It never had a single mechanical or electrical problem that required a trip to a dealership.

By comparison, my 2012 Overland has been far worse and has required multiple trips to the dealership.

So far, my experience shows that American QC still has a way to go.
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Yes, Toyota QC has gone down in recent years.

But I owned my 2005 4Runner for about 7 years & the only issue was with the exhaust. It never had a single mechanical or electrical problem that required a trip to a dealership.

By comparison, my 2012 Overland has been far worse and has required multiple trips to the dealership.

So far, my experience shows that American QC still has a way to go.
So maybe Toyota was building better vehicles 7 years ago, but that doesn't seem to be the case today. On the other hand my experience with my '14 JGC shows the quality can be very good, so far , no problems for me.
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Yes, Toyota QC has gone down in recent years.

But I owned my 2005 4Runner for about 7 years & the only issue was with the exhaust. It never had a single mechanical or electrical problem that required a trip to a dealership.

By comparison, my 2012 Overland has been far worse and has required multiple trips to the dealership.

So far, my experience shows that American QC still has a way to go.
I still have the 2004 4Runner that I purchased new. To date, the only problem I've had is frozen pistons in both front brake calipers. This is a very common problem with the 4th generation 4Runner, especially for vehicles that are driven in areas where the roads are salted in the winter. Anyway, I've done absolutely nothing to the vehicle other than oil changes, and changing the spark plugs and air filter. It's been pretty much bulletproof.
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American cars are not what they once were. Americans have lost their passion for making a truest great desirable product, and are now in it just for the money. I really do feel this change occurred at the start of the 21st century. Really sad.
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American cars are not what they once were. Americans have lost their passion for making a truest great desirable product, and are now in it just for the money. I really do feel this change occurred at the start of the 21st century. Really sad.
Speak for yourself. I worked in manufacturing for forty years, and we built products that were world class, and took great pride in doing it right, despite what the bean counters kept pushing us to do. And the folks that are still building these products, many good friends of mine, are still proud of what they do. You may feel this way, but many others, including our good friends at JNAP, would certainly take issue with you.
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Speak for yourself. I worked in manufacturing for forty years, and we built products that were world class, and took great pride in doing it right, despite what the bean counters kept pushing us to do. And the folks that are still building these products, many good friends of mine, are still proud of what they do. You may feel this way, but many others, including our good friends at JNAP, would certainly take issue with you.
No I'm talking about the execs. For the debut of the zj the chrysler CEO climbed a set of stairs and drove through plate glass. You just don't see amazing debuts like that and so much faith and design behind the product. Now it's let's roll the car out and let's sell it and make the most money we can.
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Wall Street has put this type of business plan in motion. Instead of long range planning, businesses worry about the next quarter's results. Bottom line is everything. The next quarter can make or break a company. Top management and executive positions in many manufacturing businesses are now held by bean counters that know very little about the nuts and bolts of their business. These positions used to be held by engineers who understood what was going on in the lab and on the shop floor. I'm sure Marlin and Chevy at JNAP can tell you how this affects quality and process. It's the reason many manufacturing jobs left this country. If you look around at the very best manufacturing corporations, many of these jobs are coming back home where they belong. I'm definitely not trying to start a union/non-union argument here, or an outsourcing bashing argument, but the rust-belt is full of skilled manufacturing workers. The problem is going to be replacing them with well trained and motivated younger workers. We scared a whole generation of young people out of our trade and technical schools and into colleges that are preparing a great many of them for jobs that aren't there, and burdening them with huge amounts of debt. The Japanese taught us how to build great products a few decades ago, all we need now is the will and determination, and investment in bringing it all back home. I think Chrysler is giving it a good shot, and I believe with a little support they can be one of the leaders in turning it all around in the good old U.S.of A. This is not something that can happen overnight. I'm willing to risk buying a fantastically designed JGC, and supporting American manufacturing. A few bugs to deal with isn't a high price to pay, in my opinion.
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