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American cars are not what they once were. Americans have lost their passion for making a truest great desirable product, and are now in it just for the money. I really do feel this change occurred at the start of the 21st century. Really sad.
You must be too young to remember the infamous Chrysler K [for Krap] car era.
Or the mid 80's paint jobs that shed themselves beginning a couple years after sale.
Or the original Mustang II
Or the 80's Eldorado
Or the Cadillac Allante
Or never rear ended a Pinto without a supply of hot dogs and marshmallows
Or never tried a Cosworth Vega.
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Re: Possible new Jeep owner worried about realibity

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American cars are not what they once were. Americans have lost their passion for making a truest great desirable product, and are now in it just for the money. I really do feel this change occurred at the start of the 21st century. Really sad.
I find this statement funny. My Dad finally switched to buying Toyotas in the early 1980's because his life long Chevy habit could no longer be tolerated due to such crappy construction, engineering and design. The "change" by American car companies dates back to the early 1970's, 20 years after Detroit as a city began its decline (per capita income and number of residents).

Meanwhile, I "inherited" an '05 Ford Escape from my wife (she now has the '14 American-Italian GC) with 125K mi. and besides replacing brakes, tires, shocks and oil, we've only had a little work done on the ABS sensor. My most reliable car ever.
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:08 PM
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Until your '07 Accord's automatic bites the dust with just 42K miles. I used to think Hondas were the benchmark for reliability and except for this major issue, it was a great vehicle. Turns out the '03-'07 Accords with the V6 engines have had issues with transmission failures. (Even got a mention in import loving Consumer Reports).
The Accord has no doubt had its issues with transmissions...I have a friend who had one crap out at 65k miles. He replaced it with another Accord because he viewed it as an anomaly since he's always had Accords and they've been so great. Thats the kind of brand loyalty having overall great reliability gets you.

On my Jeep, I've had so many problems a big problem would drive me from the brand forever. Thats what having overall mediocre reliability gets you.

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American cars are not what they once were. Americans have lost their passion for making a truest great desirable product, and are now in it just for the money. I really do feel this change occurred at the start of the 21st century. Really sad.
I totally disagree with this statement. I agree there was a time when this absolutely had become true, the 80s-90s-early 2000s. BUT, I think since the recession and bailouts this has changed in a BIG way. American companies are making great cars that have a lot of passion, they just need to work on the reliability a little.

What vehicle in its class has more passion than the Grand Cherokee? Nothing. What else has more attitude and style than a Chrysler 300 in that class? Nothing.

Reliability is still suspect...but the passion is there.
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Speak for yourself. I worked in manufacturing for forty years, and we built products that were world class,
And you know what Jacko, you (ie: the USA), still build products that are world class. The Jeep MY14 Grand Cherokee being one of them.

Coming up to the 8000 kms on the '14 CRD Overland down here (Australia). That would be about the 5000 miles on your ticker, I was going to wait until the 10,000km mark to post a review but this post caused me to go earlier.

This is the best vehicle that we have ever owned and that includes Mr WK '07 Limited Hemi (and still own by the way because it also has never let us down either).

But that includes the inevitable Aussie Holden (Berlina - transmission siezed 1 month out of new car warranty and needed replacement), the Mazda 6 (servicing cost a fortune), the VW (let's not go there with the DSG - here I'll save you a search: Volkswagen confirms recall of Australian cars after power-loss complaints - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation), a Ford and (although we still own this for sentimental reasons) - the Holden Caprice Statesman.

The MY14 CRD Overland is outstanding. Yes, I have lost the EVIC display once. That happened within 24 hours of the dealership applying the Climate Control fix. Was that related - (?) - don't know, don't care - after that, all was good and has continued to be so.

I cannot speak highly enough of this vehicle. From the smooth ride to the fuel economy (CRD - that's not something you can relate to at this point), to its safety systems. Three times the FCW has activated faster than the driver could.

I completely reject the assertion that the quality of vehicles built in the US is sub-standard.

Give me the dollars and I would have an MY14 Overland in all colours parked in the driveway for each day of the week. Granite - Monday, DCR - Tuesday, Bright White - Wednesday.... (Ok, maybe one of those would be a Summit - maybe for a Sunday drive).

Our only complaint with regards to this vehicle down under, is the inability, at this point, to use Voice Recognition with the Navigation system.

But I say, at this point, because Willx et al, knows about that issue and as such it has been reported and uplined - so we are patient.

In a heartbeat, I would recommend the Jeep MY14 Overland to anyone considering a solid 4x4.

It is a passion and it exists beyond the borders of the USA.
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Old 10-04-2013, 11:06 AM
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Re: Possible new Jeep owner worried about realibity

Parts of the JGC are certainly world class, but I would not consider the vehicle overall "world class". They have some reliability and quality consistency to work out before I would consider it "World Class".
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Honda and Toyota cars are boring so boring I think I would fall asleep driving them.
Of course their dashboards don't light up while the engine stalls. So there is no paranoia of "what's the next problem?" I don't expect engine failure and navigation failures within a year of ownership. It cements the perception that Chrysler is not high quality. I love this Jeep over the Highlander or Pilot, I want them to succeed. But I can't recommend it without the "nice car, but..." comment.
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I currently have two GCs. A 2001 with 190,000 miles that has been involved in 2 accidents and a new 2014 Overland that currently has about 2,500 miles on the clock. I strongly disagree that either of these cars are inferior to their foreign competition.

The 2001 GC has been rock solid with regard to reliability with the vast majority of its parts including the exhaust system original. It has been the single most reliable vehicle I have ever owned even after being hit twice.

The 2014 has been problem free for 3,500 miles , still early in the game but I could not ask for more at this point. My wife agrees that the 2014 GC is the nicest and most comfortable car we have ever owned. She loves the handling and the convenience features that the Overland provides. The fit and finish of the build are as good or better as that of some high end european cars we have owned over the years and we love the features like the tech package. We would buy it again without hesitation.

Last January we purchased a new VW Passat TDI. With less than 200 miles the car started to shake horribly in the front end. Luckily, I was within 2 miles of the VW dealer and quickly pulled into the service department. The verdict The left side front axle was coming apart. Later I noticed that the back up camera was sometimes taking so long to load that I had finished backing out before it appeared on the screen I reported this to the VW service department. They replied that VW was aware of the problem and was working on a fix. That was 6 months ago. I finally received an update disk two weeks ago. We still love the car and the 50 mpg we get on road trips.

Then there was the Bentley that required over $15,000 in repairs in less than 50k miles including removing the engine, tranny, and pretty much the entire front end of the car to replace a small rubber seal inside the transmission. Thank heaven for warranties. Incidentally, this car had the largest blind spot of anything I have ever driven. I mentioned this to the dealer. He suggested that I might want to order a set of the European aspherical replacement glasses for the outside mirrors. The price for the two replacement glass inserts was $1300, apparently because they incorporate a nano anti dazzle technology. I declined the offer.

We have never owned a Japanese car but our experience from owning a number of European cars, including some high end models that the automobile magazines labeled " world class" leaves us loving our Grand Cherokees.
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Parts of the JGC are certainly world class, but I would not consider the vehicle overall "world class". They have some reliability and quality consistency to work out before I would consider it "World Class".
I think everyone would agree here that US vehicles from the 80's and 90's were pretty bad. That is when the Japanese came in and dominated. Not so anymore.

The US exports a ton of vehicles like the JGC, even with the large markup overseas they are still great values. In my eyes, the only competition is a Land Rover at $30,000+ dollars comparable. You think the Land Rover will be any more reliable?

With the features, modern platform, design and four engine options of the WK2 for such a low cost, it is most certainly world class. I have lived in Europe for many years, you would be absolutely surprised at how highly regarded some US brands are like Jeep, Corvette, Harley Davidson, Cadillac etc..
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You must be too young to remember the infamous Chrysler K [for Krap] car era.
Or the mid 80's paint jobs that shed themselves beginning a couple years after sale.
Or the original Mustang II
Or the 80's Eldorado
Or the Cadillac Allante
Or never rear ended a Pinto without a supply of hot dogs and marshmallows
Or never tried a Cosworth Vega.
No however I do remember my dad's bulletproof cj7. That thing never died and was very strong. It never had electrical problems either. My zj has never given me electrical problems until it hit 180k and the dash started to flicker, which only required a quick resolder of the switch.
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You should be somewhat worried. It is a gamble buying one of these vehicles or any vehicle.
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Re: Possible new Jeep owner worried about realibity

Look at the issues. 95% is with Uconnect, and most of those have been resolved, the ones that haven't are small, and will be with the next few updates. Also, look in this form. There is ONE guy who bashes Jeep. Only ONE. The rest say there are issues, but minor fixable issues. Look at the review out on other sites. Same story there. One or 2 people who bring the numbers down. 150,000 units out there, and only a handful of people with issues, and most of these people are the ones who complain if it rains, then complain when the sun is shining. Remember, most people only write reviews if unhappy. Jeep makes a great product. As with any vehicle, there can be problems, but no higher incidence with Jeep.
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I was reading Car and Drivers long term update on their 2013 GL450, interesting the problems they've had in 25k miles on a 90k SUV:

- Rear brake rotors (which were vibrating)
- A new back-up camera
- A few trim pieces whose chrome had peeled
- A start/stall issue that the dealer couldn’t pinpoint
- Rear seat release

Also noted.. "Throttle tip-in is peculiar—gooey at first, producing little forward motion, then all of a sudden, “Hang on Newt, she’s headed for the alfalfa!” And that’s when two bags of groceries topple. Also requiring a little practice is the grabby long-travel brake pedal, which mandates a delicate application or the third and fourth bags fall over, too."

They of course sing a lot of praise for the SUV as well. Just goes to show that not always greener on the other side. Heres the article for those interested: 2013 Mercedes-Benz GL450 4MATIC Long-Term Test Update – Review – Car and Driver
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