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Old 04-05-2011, 01:07 PM
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Re: Remote Start Issue - I think it is dangerous?

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Actually, since the advent of catalytic converters, there is very little carbon monoxide released from cars. Carbon monoxide is the byproduct of incomplete combustion, which carbon DIOXIDE is the byproduct of COMPLETE combustion. Here are the EPA MAXIMUM regulations for 1 gallon of gas:

Hydrocarbons 22.4 grams
Carbon Monoxide 160 grams
NOx 11.2 grams
Carbon Dioxide 3628 grams

So, CO2:CO = 22.675:1 In other words, you need a carbon DIOXIDE detector.

And yes, carbon monoxide can kill you. Just not from a car!
Interesting stuff, thanks!
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Old 04-05-2011, 01:24 PM
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Re: Remote Start Issue - I think it is dangerous?

alot of you should be riding a bicycle instead of a motor vehicle...............
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Re: Remote Start Issue - I think it is dangerous?

I ride my bike and never drive my WK2, my WK2 stays in the garage so that way I never get sand or dirt on it. HA!
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Old 04-05-2011, 04:41 PM
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Re: Remote Start Issue - I think it is dangerous?

Look people....and I have posted info on this elsewhere --- PLEASE DO NOT GIVE OUT FALSE INFO regarding the non-danger of carbon monoxide (CO). It is dangerous....for most the 15 minutes shouldn't kill you (maybe your small pet bird though) and the smaller the body mass the most dangerous....such as babies and kids.

Yes, modern building codes don't allow venting from the house into the garage including air returns. But modern homes are more air tight not allowing as much outside air.

Why is that a danger?

Simple, as the car operates, it USES UP THE OXYGEN in the garage resulting in Carbon MONOXIDE CO instead of Carbon Dioxide CO2. That is THE danger, with not enough fresh air at the combustion source, CO results (furnaces, fireplace, even gas oven/cooktops, and yes vehicles running in CLOSED garages).

SOOOOO....yes, bpmcgee...modern vehicle emit little CO but ONLY (note ONLY!!!) if there is a an adequate supply of oxygen....in a closed garage, the oxygen is quickly used up and CO results instead of CO2.

And, yes, Lingohocken - you are LUCKY to have been alert enough to realize you had a headache and to react accordingly. Others are not so lucky...even in newer built and inspected buildings.

CO competes with the oxygen binding sites in hemoglobin in your red blood cells resulting in oxygen not being delivered to cells in your body....

Install a CO detector in your garage or one of those detecters connected to your grage door opener to auto open it if you have kids....I would if I did. I would like to see a user programable feature to disable remote start...that would be nice.
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Re: Remote Start Issue - I think it is dangerous?

why are people remote starting a jeep sitting in a garage at near room temp? maybe im the wild card here but i usually only use my remote start when its freezing outside and my jeep is outside sitting in the cold.

this auto open garage door due to an idle vehicle is crazyness.
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Re: Remote Start Issue - I think it is dangerous?

^^^ Accidentally or if a child got a hold of it. But even young adults in an inspected building can be killed. It is a danger....just because there is ignorance out there doesn't mean it isn't a danger. Talk to an EMT....I'm sure they have been on CO calls....

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Old 04-05-2011, 05:55 PM
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Re: Remote Start Issue - I think it is dangerous?

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Lingohocken,

Actually, since the advent of catalytic converters, there is very little carbon monoxide released from cars. Carbon monoxide is the byproduct of incomplete combustion, which carbon DIOXIDE is the byproduct of COMPLETE combustion. Here are the EPA MAXIMUM regulations for 1 gallon of gas:

Hydrocarbons 22.4 grams
Carbon Monoxide 160 grams
NOx 11.2 grams
Carbon Dioxide 3628 grams

So, CO2:CO = 22.675:1 In other words, you need a carbon DIOXIDE detector.

And yes, carbon monoxide can kill you. Just not from a car!
I have to respectfully disagree with you. Carbon monoxide (CO) from a car will kill you if exposed long enough. We all exhale carbon dioxide (CO2) and so CO2 not the problem.
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Re: Remote Start Issue - I think it is dangerous?

Thank god we dont have the problem MB is having....

Mercedes recall: Cruise control won't shut off

http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/05/auto...call/index.htm

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Mercedes-Benz is recalling 137,000 M-class SUVs because the cruise control doesn't immediately disengage when drivers tap the brake pedal. Cruise…CNN Money · 8 hours ago
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Re: Remote Start Issue - I think it is dangerous?

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I have to respectfully disagree with you. Carbon monoxide (CO) from a car will kill you if exposed long enough. We all exhale carbon dioxide (CO2) and so CO2 not the problem.
Actually, both can kill you. It just takes a lower concentration of CO. I had once thought that CO2 was harmless (greenhouse gas issues aside) because indeed we do breathe it out - but I was quite wrong.

Check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_poisoning

Even more amazing is when a lake eruption kills hundreds of people at once: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limnic_eruption
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Re: Remote Start Issue - I think it is dangerous?

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They make carbon dioxide detectors that are wired into your garage door openers as soon as it detects carbon dioxide the door opens....I think it was CPREZ on this site said he had one installed.
I weighed in on the topic when it first came up a few months ago. As a thought exercise, I considered how it might pose a theoretical risk, though as a practical matter (and during the course of the discussion) I came to believe that there are plenty of ways to mitigate that risk. Frankly during the course of the discussion, I dismissed the opinions insisting that it posed near-zero risk and I dismissed the opinions that it was a deadly and imminent risk. We all have different risk tolerance thresholds.

I also stocked up on relaxed fit pants.

I did not wind up installing a CO monitor in my garage although I still believe that this would be a reasonable and simple thing to do. I definitely didn't wire such a monitor to my door openers.

mcomito, I hope you weren't put off by the spirited discussion and divergent views on this subject. If you believe that it is a potential problem given your individual circumstances, then you owe it to yourself to address it. Otherwise, you'll never forgive yourself if something should ever happen, no matter how unlikely that may be.
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Actually, both can kill you. It just takes a lower concentration of CO. I had once thought that CO2 was harmless (greenhouse gas issues aside) because indeed we do breathe it out - but I was quite wrong.

Check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_poisoning

Even more amazing is when a lake eruption kills hundreds of people at once: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limnic_eruption
CO will kill at lower concentration because our red blood cells will take in CO instead of oxygen. CO2 poisoning tends to require running out of actual O2- you aren't getting enough oxygen into your lungs.

Still, CO isn't cyanide. It takes more than a couple whiffs to kill you- yes, it's dangerous, but it isn't immediately lethal.

If you accidentally activate remote start, OPEN THE GARAGE DOOR. This isn't rocket science. It isn't the next great public health problem. In order to get yourself dead from this, you need to activate remote start, run it for the maximum length of time (at least), then go into the garage and start taking VERY deep breaths, and lay down for a nice nap. That's stacking fail upon fail.

I just fail to see how this is a practical (not theoretical) problem.
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Re: Remote Start Issue - I think it is dangerous?

People using their cell phones while driving, now that's a REAL danger to our kids.
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