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Re: TIPM Recall

So I guess people with a 2013 JGC are out of luck if they are having the same issue?

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So I guess people with a 2013 JGC are out of luck if they are having the same issue?
Why would you be out of luck with a 2013 WK2?
If your having this issue take it in to your local dealer & tell them to replace your faulty TIPM with a new one under the 3 year/36 month bumper to bumper warrantee!

That's what I just did w/my 2012 Overland.

You get this problem fixed the right way with a new redesigned part, not the BS "fix" Chrysler is doing to the 2011's with the P54 TIPM recall, that bypasses the faulty internal TIPM fuel pump relay, by hacking into the main wiring harness to run an externally wired stand alone fuel pump relay.
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Just called Chrysler and they said my vin isn't included in the recall. I have a 2011 jeep gc how do I not fall into the recall.

Yep....I just got told by Customer Support the same thing about my 10/10 build '11 Laredo X. I had sent them a "contact us" to verify that the TIPM recall was only going to do the external relay fix and was not providing a new TIPM.

They did not answer that question but just curtly informed me that my '11 VIN was not part of the recall. So, I wonder what the difference is and what build dates are involved. Apparently it is not all '11s.
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Re: TIPM Recall

Seeing as mine is still under warranty (Max Care) maybe I'll just let it fail and get a new TIPM instead of the scab job repair
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Seeing as mine is still under warranty (Max Care) maybe I'll just let it fail and get a new TIPM instead of the scab job repair
That may depend on the dealer. My guess is that as the recall gets publicized and performed, the new TIPM to fix this will be a thing of the past. It will be all grafted on relays. I speculate that the only reason people are still getting the occasional all new TIPM instead of the relay kit is because not every dealer service department is familiar with that fix. Once they are, that's going to be the rule.

Mine failed last week and the fix was the relay kit, not a new TIPM. About the only way you can guarantee yourself the new TIPM is to buy it yourself.
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That may depend on the dealer. My guess is that as the recall gets publicized and performed, the new TIPM to fix this will be a thing of the past. It will be all grafted on relays. I speculate that the only reason people are still getting the occasional all new TIPM instead of the relay kit is because not every dealer service department is familiar with that fix. Once they are, that's going to be the rule.

Yea, if you are unaware of your repair options & YOU ALLOW IT!

Mine failed last week and the fix was the relay kit, not a new TIPM. About the only way you can guarantee yourself the new TIPM is to buy it yourself.
I would strongly disagree, if your well informed on this issue, as everyone on the board should be....... and your still under warrantee or have an extended service contract......
Why would you let any dealer externally jump the fuel pump relay instead of replacing the TIPM and doing the repair the right way by installing a new TIPM module assembly.

I insisted they replace the TIPM with the new redesigned assembly. As my 2012 Overland is still under a factory warrantee and told them flat out if your solution to this problem is to hack into my main wiring harness to jump the relay don't touch my Jeep and I'll take it to a dealer who will replace it with a new part!

I told them just do it! Chrysler has to warrantee the faulty TIPM & pay the dealer the warrantee service labor rate to replace it, and they agreed!
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I would strongly disagree, if your well informed on this issue, as everyone on the board should be....... and your still under warrantee or have an extended service contract......
Why would you let any dealer externally jump the fuel pump relay instead of replacing the TIPM and doing the repair the right way by installing a new TIPM module assembly.

I insisted they replace the TIPM with the new redesigned assembly. As my 2012 Overland is still under a factory warrantee and told them flat out if your solution to this problem is to hack into my main wiring harness to jump the relay don't touch my Jeep and I'll take it to a dealer who will replace it with a new part!

I told them just do it! Chrysler has to warrantee the faulty TIPM & pay the dealer the warrantee service labor rate, and they agreed!
Congratulations. I didn't bother.

It's a vehicle they make by the thousands, NOT a museum piece. If it works, it works. Would a new TIPM have been nice? Sure, but I'm not going to hold my breath. This thing is 4 years old with 67,000 miles on it. I'm not going to be driving it forever. I like it, mine is in great condition, but this thing isn't going to be pulling in tens of thousands of dollars in a Mecum auction in five years. As long as it works and Chrysler is standing behind their fix, fine. Nobody's popping the hood to critique the wiring.
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Congratulations.

Thanks but I'm not looking for anyone to pat me on the back, however I am trying to let people on this board know their options and not be taken advantage of!


I didn't bother.

You didn't bother what??
To have your Jeep fixed the right way?
To not be a victim of Chryslers penny pinching ways?
Or your dealers willingness to repair your issue the right way, instead of doing the cheap easy fix?

It's a vehicle they make by the thousands, NOT a museum piece. If it works, it works. Would a new TIPM have been nice? Sure, but I'm not going to hold my breath. This thing is 4 years old with 67,000 miles on it. I'm not going to be driving it forever. I like it, mine is in great condition, but this thing isn't going to be pulling in tens of thousands of dollars in a Mecum auction in five years. As long as it works and Chrysler is standing behind their fix, fine. Nobody's popping the hood to critique the wiring.
Hey if your happy, with the wire hacked fuel pump relay jumper "fix" I'm happy for you. It's your Jeep. Not something I'd accept for my vehicle & why the f@*k should I, after spending almost $50K for it?
Why should anyone??

I don't see how what it may pull at an auto auction in five years has any bearing to this discussion at all...... but ask yourself this ~ how's that hacked main wiring harness going to be in five years of wear and weathering through whatever elements you encounter? Will it be corroded to the point of leading to a slew of new electrical problems? No vehicle is worth 10 lousy cents if it leaves your stranded somewhere now.... or five years from now!!!!!
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Re: TIPM Recall

I see both of your points of view. Both are valid. The longevity is the problem for me. I intend to keep this GC for at least 10 years and possibly longer. Hence the Max Care I do question the durability of the fix. I've done my fair share of wiring on the TJ and on my motorcycles. I know they are solid solder connections and water tight. Considering the application of the shield on the brake booster recall for some folks, I question if the wiring would be sound for this recall.
If it were not under warranty I would expect that the recall be done according to instructions. Or, if I brought it in for the recall. However, I bought a warranty because I do not want to be bothered with fixing this vehicle myself. I could install this relay kit myself and be sure that it is done right but that is not why I got an extended warranty.
Different strokes for different folks though.
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Re: TIPM Recall

From what I can see, the fix is significantly more reliable than the original design through the TIPM. You have more copper, so more current carrying capability than exits in the TIPM circuit board. The whole point of the TIPM was to save money on complex wiring harnesses. By moving the relay and controls out and tying it into the ignition where it belongs, in my opinion provides more reliability, not less. The new TIPM likely just has thicker power planes and maybe a larger voltage regulator (which seems to be the part that died per some other threads I saw). This seems the right fix for this and should help with the overall stability of the TIPM. Time will tell.
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From what I can see, the fix is significantly more reliable than the original design through the TIPM. You have more copper, so more current carrying capability than exits in the TIPM circuit board. The whole point of the TIPM was to save money on complex wiring harnesses. By moving the relay and controls out and tying it into the ignition where it belongs, in my opinion provides more reliability, not less. The new TIPM likely just has thicker power planes and maybe a larger voltage regulator (which seems to be the part that died per some other threads I saw). This seems the right fix for this and should help with the overall stability of the TIPM. Time will tell.
Do you really think an external fuel pump relay harness grafted into your main wiring harness is "significantly more reliable" than the OEM TIPM design?

Really??

Maybe if it was part of an original OEM wiring harness design, typical of vehicles manufactured 20 ~ 30 years ago....... but to do this now, it's nothing but a band aid "fix" that will eventually fail or lead to more electrical problems down the road. What going to happen when some of the other internal relays in these faulty TIPM's start to fail like the internal fuel pump relay is beginning too? Most of these other internal relays don't have any where near the duty cycle of these internal fuel pump relays that cycle every time you get in your Jeep, and probably won't fail until well after the factory warrantee has expired.
Now what???
Will Chrysler suggest hacking into the main wiring harness and jumping them as well?

When a tech at some dealer starts hacking into the main wiring harness of any modern computer controlled vehicle is he compromising the integrity of the harness? (YES) Does he have the skill and/or knowledge to do it correctly? Are they requiring the repair connections to be soldered? (NO) Will it be weather tight? Road vibration secure? For how long? 3 weeks? 3 months? 3 years? Will the compromised harness eventually have an issue? (Absolutely, the question is when??)

WK2's were designed with a electronic bus electrical architecture system to remove wiring & wiring related failures, save weight, cost, and improve system reliability. You paid for a modern computer controlled vehicle with an electronic bus electrical architecture, not 70's era stand alone relays & related wiring technology that is as old as 4 wheel drum brakes!

This main wiring hack, jumped relay fix, is like turning off your failing modern home heating system and putting a fire pit in your living room to keep warm. Would you do that? Or would you have your heating system repaired correctly so it may work as designed?
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Re: TIPM Recall

At the risk of another attack (when you should just be pissed at Jeep), yes I do think this is more reliable than the new TIPM they are using which is NOT a full redesign, but has likely only beefed up the circuitry surrounding the fuel pump relay. If they were suggesting rewiring everything like this, I would be concerned. I think in this ONE specific instance the fix makes sense and will not cause long term issues. If I get a chance this weekend, I'll open it up and try to take some pictures of the fix that the dealer did to mine last week (Chrysler gave them permission to do in advance of the official recall). If I don't like how it is sealed, I may do some additional sealant with RTV, but there are some very good weather tight splices and connectors that can been used as well. They seem to hold up really well for my boat wiring for the last 15 years.
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