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At the risk of another attack (when you should just be pissed at Jeep), yes I do think this is more reliable than the new TIPM they are using which is NOT a full redesign, but has likely only beefed up the circuitry surrounding the fuel pump relay. If they were suggesting rewiring everything like this, I would be concerned. I think in this ONE specific instance the fix makes sense and will not cause long term issues. If I get a chance this weekend, I'll open it up and try to take some pictures of the fix that the dealer did to mine last week (Chrysler gave them permission to do in advance of the official recall). If I don't like how it is sealed, I may do some additional sealant with RTV, but there are some very good weather tight splices and connectors that can been used as well. They seem to hold up really well for my boat wiring for the last 15 years.
Attack? I haven't attacked anyone..... I think your completely missing the point.

What makes you so sure this "fix" will work for the life of the vehicle or not cause other not as yet seen electrical issues?? Hacking into the main wiring harness on any vehicle is asking for trouble!!

YOU should be pissed at Jeep! Not me..... I got the new part I wanted under warrantee, installed free of charge. Which is what Jeep should do for everyone!..... You on the other hand did not.

But hey, if your happy with Chryslers "fix" for your faulty TIPM...... Good for you, It's your Jeep!
It's not something I would accept for my Jeep and that's why I insisted they replace the bad TIPM with a new redesigned part. Pictures of the P54 TIPM hack job "fix" have already been posted:

Chrysler has a Star Case # for this issue (#S13080000399, Release date 5/29/2013)

http://www.mediafire.com/view/ohoobx...lpumprelay.pdf

You mentioned marine weather tight splices and connectors..... do you think that's what the tech at your local dealer used to do this repair? Do you think the spliced wires were even soldered correctly or soldered at all?
I can assure you that probably didn't happen!
But your OK with going back in there to redo this repair with better marine grade connectors yourself?
Why should you or anyone else have to do that?????????

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Re: TIPM Recall

I've got no warranty to go back under, so that is not an option for me. All the heat shrink they used is shrink seal, so it looks like a really good job done by the guys at my dealership. Not looking at all like something that was hobbled together.

My point was that I have more confidence in this fix than I do in the new TIPM that may just be more robust for the fuse. Time is all that will tell on that though.

Can you see any major differences between the old TIPM and the new one?
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Re: TIPM Recall

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I've got no warranty to go back under, so that is not an option for me. All the heat shrink they used is shrink seal, so it looks like a really good job done by the guys at my dealership. Not looking at all like something that was hobbled together.

No this "fix" is exactly that!! A BS, hacked, cheap, and easy fix..... to use your words "hobbled together" would be a perfect way to describe it!

My point was that I have more confidence in this fix than I do in the new TIPM that may just be more robust for the fuse. Time is all that will tell on that though.

Can you see any major differences between the old TIPM and the new one?
No, to be honest it appears to look exactly the same as the old one..... I'm hoping it's better on the inside where it failed before!

But my parts guru tells me there has been five or six revisions of this TIPM before a new redesigned TIPM hit the parts pipeline just recently.

This new redesigned TIPM module is allegedly made by a different manufacturer than the original faulty one and is supposed to address the failing internal fuel pump relay issue?? Chrysler is well aware of this problem and have been for a long time, so I would hope they have a new design that works as it should and lasts the lifetime of the vehicle.
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Re: TIPM Recall

OK so on Sept 29th my 2013 JGC would start but shut off right away which was happening for a few days. So I decided to bring it to the dealer and I advised them about all the talk about the TIPM needing to be replaced. Which they agreed to do without hesitation at no cost to me. I got my truck back on Oct 2nd and everything seemed fine. On Oct 3rd my truck had the same issues again where it would start for a few seconds then shut off. Then it wouldn't turn on at all for about 30min. So I brought it back to the dealer and now on Oct 6th they still have not been able to duplicate the issue. Any ideas. Oh and the TIPM part they put in was #68244870AA
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OK so on Sept 29th my 2013 JGC would start but shut off right away which was happening for a few days. So I decided to bring it to the dealer and I advised them about all the talk about the TIPM needing to be replaced. Which they agreed to do without hesitation at no cost to me. I got my truck back on Oct 2nd and everything seemed fine. On Oct 3rd my truck had the same issues again where it would start for a few seconds then shut off. Then it wouldn't turn on at all for about 30min. So I brought it back to the dealer and now on Oct 6th they still have not been able to duplicate the issue. Any ideas. Oh and the TIPM part they put in was #68244870AA
Sounds very strange...... are you sure they actually replaced the TIPM with a new part?
Or did they just tell you they did?? Where did you get that TIPM part # from?

After being towed to one dealer who told me this issue has been fixed, (They replaced the WIN module and billed Chrysler for warrantee work??)..... Didn't start the next day, so I had it towed to another dealer, (This time they replaced the TIPM at my insistence, with a new part and billed Chrysler for more warrantee work), I haven't had any starting/stalling issues since!

Keep us posted on what happens next.
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Sounds very strange...... are you sure they actually replaced the TIPM with a new part?
Or did they just tell you they did?? Where did you get that TIPM part # from?

After being towed to one dealer who told me this issue has been fixed, (They replaced the WIN module and billed Chrysler for warrantee work??)..... Didn't start the next day, so I had it towed to another dealer, (This time they replaced the TIPM at my insistence, with a new part and billed Chrysler for more warrantee work), I haven't had any starting/stalling issues since!

Keep us posted on what happens next.
I got the part number here on this forum and also its on my paperwork from the dealer. What is the WIN module? Does a 2013 have a WIN module?
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I got the part number here on this forum and also its on my paperwork from the dealer. What is the WIN module? Does a 2013 have a WIN module?
The WIN module is a Wireless Ignition Node module. It's located behind the digital dash in all WK2's. It's the module that allows the wireless keyless ignition system to work. But it is also used for other things...... From a 2012 Factory Service Manual;

08 - Electrical / 8E - Electronic Control Modules / RECEIVER, Wireless Ignition Node / Description

DESCRIPTION

This vehicle is equipped with a Wireless Ignition Node (WIN). The WIN, along with the FOB with Integrated Key (FOBIK) are the primary components of the keyless ignition system. The only visible component of the WIN is the ignition switch located on the face of the instrument panel just to the inboard side of the steering column. The remainder of the WIN including its mounting provisions and electrical connections are concealed within the instrument panel.
The WIN housing is constructed of molded black plastic and includes four integral mounting bosses, which are secured to the instrument panel structure with screws. Two connector receptacles are integral to the back of the switch housing. One connects the WIN to the vehicle electrical system through a dedicated takeout and connector of the instrument panel wire harness. The other is a dedicated connector for the coaxial cable input from the optional remote start system external antenna module.

In addition to replacing a conventional keyed ignition switch, the WIN is an integrated electronic receiver that serves as the base station in the vehicle. It communicates with other electronic modules in the vehicle over the Controller Area Network (CAN) data bus.
The WIN interfaces with the Remote Keyless Entry (RKE) FOBIK and the Tire Pressure Monitor (TPM) sensors (if equipped) using Radio Frequency (RF) communication, with the Immobilizer System (theft) transponder within the FOBIK using Low Frequency (LF) RF communication. It also communicates with the TPM trigger transponders (if equipped) and electronic shaft lock module (if equipped) using a Local Interface Network (LIN) data bus connection.
The WIN provides a switched 12-volt source through an isolated switch for the electronic shaft lock module required for certain export market vehicles and contains a key removal inhibit solenoid, an electronic Brake Transmission Shift Interlock (BTSI) solenoid, a key-in warning contact and it serves as the real time vehicle clock by transmitting the clock information to other electronic modules over the CAN data bus.
The WIN cannot be adjusted or repaired, but is flash update capable. If ineffective or damaged the entire WIN must be replaced.
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Re: TIPM Recall

I haven't read all of these - so not sure if any of this is redundant, but I thought I'd add my experience. I have a used 2011 JGC with 85K miles. I first noticed the hard start problem on Wed, 2 weeks ago. It progressed for 2 days before not starting at all. I was able to get the Jeep scheduled for repair the following Thursday.

Prior to taking the Jeep in, I found the recall information on the NHTSA website and called Chrysler per the instructions. Beyond being a bit short and rude, the lady who answered said she knew nothing of the recall - could only find the info on the brake booster and visor issue. She did confirm that I would be reimbursed IF there was a recall and (clarified repeatedly) IF it was EXACTLY the same problem with EXACTLY the same parts, repair procedure, etc. (This is understandable, but she was obviously trying to avoid any legal issues with insinuating I may be covered.)

I took the Jeep in and they fixed the problem by replacing the TIPM. My cost was approx. $1,200. They said they made copies of all the warranty documents I gave them and kept them on file for if/when it comes.

A point to add: when I purchased the vehicle used, I thought it might have had the ambient door lighting, but it didn't work. (It's a Laredo, but with the heated seats, climate control, etc.) I had a hard time confirming, but since they didn't work, I thought maybe they were just not in that package. I asked the dealer to check and their response was that model did not have the ambient lighting. Ironically, when I picked it up, the ambient lighting was working. So, 2 things; 1) not surprisingly, you can't trust what they tell you, and 2) I have to question if the TIPM was affecting the ambient lighting. Which makes me question if any/every-thing could be affected by the TIPM. I've heard of lighting and wiper issues being affected by the TIPM and I've had some odd problems like steering wheel buttons and button lights working intermittently. All very fishy stuff...

Anyway, the recall is supposed to begin on 10/24. Hopefully many people will get fixed or reimbursed. Fingers crossed.

Also, I saw a newer model Charger broken down the other day. I was going to ask if they had a starter problem, but a phone call interrupted. Makes you wonder...
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I haven't read all of these - so not sure if any of this is redundant, but I thought I'd add my experience. I have a used 2011 JGC with 85K miles. I first noticed the hard start problem on Wed, 2 weeks ago. It progressed for 2 days before not starting at all. I was able to get the Jeep scheduled for repair the following Thursday.

Prior to taking the Jeep in, I found the recall information on the NHTSA website and called Chrysler per the instructions. Beyond being a bit short and rude, the lady who answered said she knew nothing of the recall - could only find the info on the brake booster and visor issue. She did confirm that I would be reimbursed IF there was a recall and (clarified repeatedly) IF it was EXACTLY the same problem with EXACTLY the same parts, repair procedure, etc. (This is understandable, but she was obviously trying to avoid any legal issues with insinuating I may be covered.)

I took the Jeep in and they fixed the problem by replacing the TIPM. My cost was approx. $1,200. They said they made copies of all the warranty documents I gave them and kept them on file for if/when it comes.

A point to add: when I purchased the vehicle used, I thought it might have had the ambient door lighting, but it didn't work. (It's a Laredo, but with the heated seats, climate control, etc.) I had a hard time confirming, but since they didn't work, I thought maybe they were just not in that package. I asked the dealer to check and their response was that model did not have the ambient lighting. Ironically, when I picked it up, the ambient lighting was working. So, 2 things; 1) not surprisingly, you can't trust what they tell you, and 2) I have to question if the TIPM was affecting the ambient lighting. Which makes me question if any/every-thing could be affected by the TIPM. I've heard of lighting and wiper issues being affected by the TIPM and I've had some odd problems like steering wheel buttons and button lights working intermittently. All very fishy stuff...

Anyway, the recall is supposed to begin on 10/24. Hopefully many people will get fixed or reimbursed. Fingers crossed.

Also, I saw a newer model Charger broken down the other day. I was going to ask if they had a starter problem, but a phone call interrupted. Makes you wonder...
I did forget to mention also... I'm sure we're probably all pretty sure of this problem, but one thing I noticed that helped me feel confident it was the TIPM... If I turned the car on, waiting to hear the fuel pump, and then started the car, it would start and run for just a second. If I turned the car on and then started it immediately, it would never catch. I would assume that if there is any logic to it, it's turning off the fuel pump after the car is in the "starting" or "run" position. Once I realized that, I knew it was the fuel pump which I knew was a direct issue with the TIPM. For what it's worth...
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I haven't read all of these - so not sure if any of this is redundant, but I thought I'd add my experience. I have a used 2011 JGC with 85K miles. I first noticed the hard start problem on Wed, 2 weeks ago. It progressed for 2 days before not starting at all. I was able to get the Jeep scheduled for repair the following Thursday.

Prior to taking the Jeep in, I found the recall information on the NHTSA website and called Chrysler per the instructions. Beyond being a bit short and rude, the lady who answered said she knew nothing of the recall - could only find the info on the brake booster and visor issue. She did confirm that I would be reimbursed IF there was a recall and (clarified repeatedly) IF it was EXACTLY the same problem with EXACTLY the same parts, repair procedure, etc. (This is understandable, but she was obviously trying to avoid any legal issues with insinuating I may be covered.)

I took the Jeep in and they fixed the problem by replacing the TIPM. My cost was approx. $1,200. They said they made copies of all the warranty documents I gave them and kept them on file for if/when it comes.

A point to add: when I purchased the vehicle used, I thought it might have had the ambient door lighting, but it didn't work. (It's a Laredo, but with the heated seats, climate control, etc.) I had a hard time confirming, but since they didn't work, I thought maybe they were just not in that package. I asked the dealer to check and their response was that model did not have the ambient lighting. Ironically, when I picked it up, the ambient lighting was working. So, 2 things; 1) not surprisingly, you can't trust what they tell you, and 2) I have to question if the TIPM was affecting the ambient lighting. Which makes me question if any/every-thing could be affected by the TIPM. I've heard of lighting and wiper issues being affected by the TIPM and I've had some odd problems like steering wheel buttons and button lights working intermittently. All very fishy stuff...

Anyway, the recall is supposed to begin on 10/24. Hopefully many people will get fixed or reimbursed. Fingers crossed.

Also, I saw a newer model Charger broken down the other day. I was going to ask if they had a starter problem, but a phone call interrupted. Makes you wonder...
The TIPM is the heart of the entire electrical system in our Jeeps, so yes it can effect many of the things you have mentioned. Anything that is powered or needs juice to operate gets that juice from the TIPM. The ambient lighting issue you had may have been simply a blown fuse or even a missing fuse or relay in the TIPM which would have been corrected when you had the TIPM replaced.

I know right now your out $1200.00 but when this P54 safety recall is launched for 2011 WK2's later this month Chrysler will have to reimburse you for the costs you incurred to replace the faulty TIPM. And you won't have to have your main wiring harness compromised to jump in the external fuel pump relay that this P54 recall calls for.
So you'll get the best possible fix and eventually be reimbursed for it!
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Re: TIPM Recall

I just got my truck back after almost 2 weeks in the shop. They replaced my TIPM and WIN and all seems good now.
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Re: TIPM Recall

Just had my 2011 Overland Hemi in for intermittent delayed/no start.. They ended up doing the TIPM Kit fix as dictated by the bulletin. I asked if they would replace the entire TIPM, but they said that would have to be out of pocket since it's not the recommended repair.
Interestingly i still had to pay the deductible since i used my extended warranty and there is no official recall yet. Hoping to get that reimbursed once the recall is announced. My dealer had no knowledge of the recall!
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