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Re: TIPM Recall

Well looks like I am three going on four recalls behind and my dealer said he would call when the parts are in. Appears they will add a new alternator to the list soon.

Meanwhile NHTSA has an investigation opened at the end of September on the issue and reports of "TIPM failures have resulted in incidents of engine stall; airbag non-deployment; random horn, headlight, taillight, door lock, instrument panel and windshield wiper activity; failure of fuel pump shutoff resulting in unintended acceleration; and fires." That is a little more than the fuel pump relay.

See NHTSA Action Number: DP14004

If interested they may still accept reports of issues people are having.

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Old 10-16-2014, 09:03 PM
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By any measure, I am a WK2 fanboy, but for the first time since buying one in Fall 2010, I'm wondering why. My techs are now saying they cannot recreate the no-start from the faulty TIPM, and therefore will not even cover their own short-term wiring workaround in the future even if I pay for it now.

Monkeys, I can afford and even do the wiring myself, but my frickin vehicle goes dead because of a larger issue. Both go seemingly unnoticed.

Meanwhile, Colorado Chrysler Jeep in Aurora still has a $10k "market adjustment" price increase handwritten on their window sticker on the 2014 SRT JGC in the showroom.

It all reminds me why I stayed away from Murican cars for decades.

Rant over, but dubious these service gaps will end.
Wow! Unfortunately for you this intermittent issue you have now will only get worse & worse until your Jeep leaves you stranded as mine did to me.

So some things I noticed while going thru this nightmare......

The TIMP would work fine but then randomly not energize the internal fuel pump relay to deliver fuel to start/run the vehicle. This seemed to happen more often when the underhood temps were running very hot! A non starting/running hot vehicle when left to sit and cool would sometimes start right up hours later.

You might notice after you shut down the vehicle when you park, and it ran fine, that the main fuel pump module found in the drivers side fuel tank rearward of the back door will not shut off. You will be able to hear it "humming" if you get down on the ground near the drivers side rear door.
This could kill your battery if left to run all night without you aware of it.
If this happens you should pull the M25 20A fuel pump module fuse in the TIPM to shut it down and save your battery.

Eventually your Jeep will not start at all and your local dealer will have to diagnose a "dead" vehicle (nothing for them to mysteriously not be able to "recreate".)..... and then you can tell them the TIPM has finally failed completely and you want a new one!

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Old 10-17-2014, 08:49 AM
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Re: TIPM Recall

Thanks Raptor and the rest of the posters here. My vehicle's battery was drained twice overnight now, both times I had to use the manual key for entry and jumpstart the vehicle. Pretty clear it is this faulty TIPM.

FWIW, I also have Maxcare which was supposed to preempt this nonsense. Looks like Chryco is trying to workaround that too.
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Awesome write up guys! Just experienced this last night in my 2011 Laredo 3.6... Pushed my start button and the starter stayed engaged for what seemed like 10 seconds. Did this twice then realized I wasn't getting fuel so tapped the pedal and Wala! Jeeps did the same thing this morning so I scheduled an appointment. Going to push hard for a new TIPM.
Side note: while driving home I heard suspicious noises under the dash by my left leg. Sounded like a little bit of clicking, could this be the WIC? Wireless deal talked about?
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From a very helpful insider on another forum: "2011 WD/WK Recall - Chrysler P54 (TIPM) FYI- Chrysler Group LLC (Chrysler) announced a safety recall on all 2011 model year (WD/WK) Dodge Durango and Jeep Grand Cherokee equipped with a 3.6L or 5.7L engine. Some of the above vehicles may experience a failure in the electric fuel pump relay located within the Totally Integrated Power Module-7 (TIPM-7). A vehicle with a failed fuel pump relay may intermittently or permanently:  not start.  not start on the first attempt.  not stay running upon startup.  cause the engine to stall while driving.  cause the electric fuel pump to remain energized after vehicle shutdown. Chrysler will conduct a voluntary safety recall on all involved vehicles to install a standalone external electric fuel pump relay. Note: this is an announcement. This recall has not yet been launched. I'm not sure at this point of timing and the the affected vehicle list is not yet complete. Recall Notification will be mailed to the customer's address on record. Launched/outstanding recalls can be checked on-line using the VIN on the Chrysler, Dodge, Ram and Jeep brand Web sites through the "For Owners" page. If it is determined that the customer's vehicle is included in the recall and repairs have already been completed at the customer's expense, the recall notification will direct customers on how to submit original receipts for reimbursement. __________________ Lee U.S. Top Care Chrysler Group LLC"
Just curious... Most post on this thread talk about not wanting the dealer to install the fuel pump relay, that it's a patch. In Jacko15's 1st post it states that you "May experience a failure in the electric fuel pump relay located within the Totally Integrated Power Module." So wouldn't this mean that there's already a relay and that faulty relay needs to be swapped out?
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Re: TIPM Recall

After a 45-minute meeting this morning with my service manager, the plot thickens. In addition to the fairly widespread faulty TIPM issue, which has plagued Chryco in this and prior vehicles and resulted in class-action suits, there is another forthcoming TSB across several models (perhaps issued today) that involves another unrelated part that could be causing battery drain while the vehicle is shut off.

Long story short, until the dealer can replicate my particular power drain, and then either link it to the TIPM or this other part (sorry will get more info posted later today on said part), then the proper fix cannot be made even if I want to be conservative and pay for it. For instance, I could go ahead and have the workaround patch done on my nickel, only to have the battery drain from this other issue. Meanwhile, there is a nationwide shortage of TIPM's, wiring harness patches, and potentially, this next item. Should these systems not get corrected, it could lead to other parts needing replaced, such as the AGM batteries.

As frustrating as this is, the service manager stated this pales in comparison to the Eco Diesel and wiring harness challenges in the 2014 WK2's. Seems there are more knot holes created from the triumvirate of American, German, and now Italian systems.

Not intending to poke the tiger here, just repeating what a 30 year Chryco veteran said this morning. And so it goes.
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Re: TIPM Recall

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Just curious... Most post on this thread talk about not wanting the dealer to install the fuel pump relay, that it's a patch. In Jacko15's 1st post it states that you "May experience a failure in the electric fuel pump relay located within the Totally Integrated Power Module." So wouldn't this mean that there's already a relay and that faulty relay needs to be swapped out?
Yes there is an internal fuel pump relay built into the TIPM. There are many other internal relays built into this module. The problem is that all these relays are internal or built into the assembly and cannot be serviced with a simple "swap out" of the faulty parts. The module must be replaced or repaired, (aftermarket company only/not Chrysler) Chrysler has devised a grafted in external traditional wired relay that the jumps the internal one by hacking into your main wiring harness. (Chrysler Star Case #S1308000399)

**There is a company that will repair your faulty TIPM if you take it out and send it to them. They offer a 1 year warrantee and charge $269.00 + shipping.

TIPM Repair | arspeedometer.com

**Here's a bypass solution you can do yourself;

2011-2012 Dodge Durango/Jeep Grand Cherokee TIPM Repair/Bypass Solutions

**And of course you can also do the Chrysler jumped relay fix yourself (Star Case #S1308000399) as well;

http://www.verticalvisions.com/docum...1308000399.pdf

**And lets not forget the new redesigned TIPM's Chrysler just recently put into the parts pipeline that actually fix this issue the right way;

The new Chrysler OEM TIPM part #'s are;

Mopar part # 68244870AA for 5.7L V8's.
MSRP for this new TIPM Kit is $869.00/Dealer Cost $646.00

Mopar part # 68244852AA for 3.6L V6's.
MSRP for this new TIPM Kit is $864.00/Dealer Cost $645.00
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Re: TIPM Recall

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Meanwhile NHTSA has an investigation opened at the end of September on the issue and reports of "TIPM failures have resulted in incidents of engine stall; airbag non-deployment; random horn, headlight, taillight, door lock, instrument panel and windshield wiper activity; failure of fuel pump shutoff resulting in unintended acceleration; and fires." That is a little more than the fuel pump relay.

See NHTSA Action Number: DP14004
Bingo! That was my thought all along - fixing the fuel pump issue doesn't fix the other associated problems. I am especially concerned about airbag non-deployment - hardly a reportable incident like the others.
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Re: TIPM Recall

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Yes there is an internal fuel pump relay built into the TIPM. There are many other internal relays built into this module. The problem is that all these relays are internal or built into the assembly and cannot be serviced with a simple "swap out" of the faulty parts. The module must be replaced or repaired, (aftermarket company only/not Chrysler) Chrysler has devised a grafted in external traditional wired relay that the jumps the internal one by hacking into your main wiring harness. (Chrysler Star Case #S1308000399)

**There is a company that will repair your faulty TIPM if you take it out and send it to them. They offer a 1 year warrantee and charge $269.00 + shipping.

TIPM Repair | arspeedometer.com

**Here's a bypass solution you can do yourself;


2011-2012 Dodge Durango/Jeep Grand Cherokee TIPM Repair/Bypass Solutions

**And of course you can also do the Chrysler jumped relay fix yourself (Star Case #S1308000399) as well;

http://www.verticalvisions.com/docum...1308000399.pdf

**And lets not forget the new redesigned TIPM's Chrysler just recently put into the parts pipeline that actually fix this issue the right way;

The new Chrysler OEM TIPM part #'s are;

Mopar part # 68244870AA for 5.7L V8's.
MSRP for this new TIPM Kit is $869.00/Dealer Cost $646.00

Mopar part # 68244852AA for 3.6L V6's.
MSRP for this new TIPM Kit is $864.00/Dealer Cost $645.00
Thanks, just wanted clarification... Ammo for the jeep dealer.
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Re: TIPM Recall

Took my jeep to the dealership yesterday for the long cranking no start (tipm)... My jeep is still under extended warranty... I get a call that the warranty company would not cover the repair since they knew that there was a recall on this part..but the recall hasn't become official yet....so I have to wait...for how long..not sure.

Just found out from service manager that the recall becomes official October 24th.....


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Re: TIPM Recall

2011 Grand cherokee limited. I go out to start the truck for work and it's dead. No previous symptoms what so ever. Jump the truck drive to work turn truck off try to start dead. This happens every time I jump it. Faulty TIPM???


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