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Re: Warranty BS!!!

Like it has been mentioned, keep excellent records. I had a previous Overland bought back from Chrysler after fighting for 4 months, without my good records of conversations and dates etc I don't believe I would have happened.
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Old 10-25-2012, 01:43 PM
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Re: Warranty BS!!!

Sounds reasonable but OTOH tires differ. I can't see a .75" change in radius making much difference (and the stock Laredo tire is 30.6") but what is considered a reasonable variation ? 1/2" difference in diameter (.25" radius) ? What does Jeep consider OK ?

Personally am wondering if a 235x75x17 (30.9") 108T would give a softer ride than the stock 245x70x17s.
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Re: Warranty BS!!!

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First thing you should ask the individual you're talking with is how the larger tire exactly caused this fault. By law, the warranty can not be voided unless the mod at hand DIRECTLY affects the failed part.

I would keep fighting if I were you.
That's in the US only. The poster is from Canada.

But, I agree -- keep fighting!
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I don't know what the Canadian equivalent to a state attorney general, but I would let them know. Plus, there has to be some consumer rights advocates in Canada too. Call them all. Keep telling your story, get the to contact Chrysler, and if logic doesn't win maybe persistence will. Eventually someone has to cave in. Just let it be them.

By the way, I would start getting expert opinions and articles supporting your claim that tire size would not have that kind of effect on the drivetrain. If you can't show that, then everything else will be that much more difficult.
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Old 10-27-2012, 10:54 AM
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Re: Warranty BS!!!

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One of the reasons they will saythe tires wont cover it is because of True Mileage Unknown. The other circumference of the tire is different there over time the mileage will be different thus no one "actually" knowing when you hit your 36k 100k ect mileage.

This is one reason.
Very good point. The larger tire has a larger circumference, and so it will show your speed (and also mileage) to be lower than it really is.

Just as an FYI to people out there who may be looking at vehicles with larger tires, the odometers will be inaccurate. And to people selling vehicles with larger tires, should a warranty issue arise that was not covered due to the mileage inaccuracy, you could be held liable for damages to the person who bought the vehicle and odometer fraud for selling a vehicle you knew had incorrect mileage.
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Old 10-27-2012, 12:02 PM
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SO I havent posted on here in a long time but figured I would come on to vent and maybe warn.
So my t-case went on my 2011 Overland while towing home my yj from a weekend of fun. This is the second t-case to go on me along with 2 steering racks prior. So I GPS the nearest dealership and proceed there with some grinding going, as it was only about 15 km away (Manley Motors in Lindsay, ON). DOnt know wether I'm allowed to post the name or not.
Anyhow they say the usual that they will get it in and look at it. This happened on a Thurdsday. So I go rent a Uhaul so I can finish towing my yj home. I get a call from the service manager at Manleys the next day telling that he's going to have to open an investigation because the t-case and chain were badly broken...and that I should call Chrysler Canada to help move things along. He then warns me that he's going to have to tell them that I have oversized tires on the Jeep.....OK...I run 275/75/18 which is roughly a 32" (stock is 30.5").
I was at my dealer the other day and asked if a "catch-can" would void my warranty? They said "no", but I'm still hesitant to install a catch-can just in case I have an unrelated engine problem in the future and they point at the catch-can and say "...no warranty for you!".
(Say that in a Soup Nazi accent).

Thanks for posting your story anyway, I had read other posts about guys with "lifts" installed and they also lose their factory suspension warranty.
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Re: Warranty BS!!!

Yeah, in this case the tires are 5% off, so when the odometer indicates 50,000 miles, there is really 52500 miles on the Jeep, what a rip off .

Wait, 100000 miles indicated would be 105000 actual.

60 mph indicated would be 63 actual, if the 60 mph indicated was accurate.

Could it be that something damaged the xfer case, perhaps stretching the chain, and the symptoms didn't show up until well into the tow (after the chain had a chance to bang around in there for a few miles). These are light duty light truck cases that won't take a lot of abuse.
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Old 10-27-2012, 01:41 PM
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Re: Warranty BS!!!

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if you reinstall your stock wheel and tire size does that re-instate the warranty? Or is your warranty voided for ever now?

I was at my dealer the other day and asked if a "catch-can" would void my warranty? They said "no", but I'm still hesitant to install a catch-can just in case I have an unrelated engine problem in the future and they point at the catch-can and say "...no warranty for you!".
(Say that in a Soup Nazi accent).

Thanks for posting your story anyway, I had read other posts about guys with "lifts" installed and they also lose their factory suspension warranty.
The hardest part of installing or removing a catch can is removing and replacing the factory engine cover; and that's only about a .05 on the difficulty scale. So if there ever was a engine-related issue where you thought the dealer might give you a hard time about the catch can, you could always just take it off before you went in for service.
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Re: Warranty BS!!!

I recall seeing something in another post that a tire dealer was able to reflash the computer to match the speedo/odo to the tires. If you could document that, the diameter should not be an issue since the user's guide just provides a caution and not a prohibition.
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Re: Warranty BS!!!

Dealerships are such creeps...If it ever comes up that my warranty is voided because of my larger tires I'm just going to point at the wrangler in the showroom that they put 35's on and ask if that one's warranty is automatically voided because they decided to lift it and put larger tires on it and tack $8k on the sale price for it.
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Re: Warranty BS!!!

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Dealerships are such creeps...If it ever comes up that my warranty is voided because of my larger tires I'm just going to point at the wrangler in the showroom that they put 35's on and ask if that one's warranty is automatically voided because they decided to lift it and put larger tires on it and tack $8k on the sale price for it.
It's very possible that dealer reflashed the computer to reflect the true mileage with the larger tires. Back in the day, cops were quick to write speeding tickets to drivers with big and littles figuring that the driver "thought" he was going the limit and due to the larger tire size was actually going faster.
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I recall seeing something in another post that a tire dealer was able to reflash the computer to match the speedo/odo to the tires. If you could document that, the diameter should not be an issue since the user's guide just provides a caution and not a prohibition.
Chrysler does not provide tire factor adjustments to the WK2 dealer tech as all OEM tires have the same tire diameter. In the past, Chrysler only provided factors for the vehicle OEM base and optional sizes. I ran into this on my 2006 RAM when I went oversize. Most aftermarket tuners, however, give you the capability to make tire factor changes.
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