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Re: What makes the new GC Trail Rated? isn't mine...

Still not sure how its a marketing scheme - the Jeep has additional items that make it more capable on the trail. Sorta like calling a HEMI badge on other vehicles a marketing scheme.
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Re: What makes the new GC Trail Rated? isn't mine...

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Exactly. If I installed the tow-hooks (which I voted for in the next group buy thread ) and the skid-plates my Limited WK2 would be no less Trail Rated then a Jeep with the ORA package. I'm just missing the badge.
No - there's a reason for 18" rims for off-roading. As I mentioned in another thread, when you drop tire pressures for hard rocky areas you will need the extra tire sidewall height.

You can always do more (or less) to increase (or decrease) the off-road capability of a Jeep. "Trail-rated" is just a particular standard of capability that Jeep decided to use as a benchmark. Whether or not you care if you have that level of capability is up to you, but if you are running 20" rims you will not be at that capability level and hence you aren't running a "Trail-rated vehicle".
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Re: What makes the new GC Trail Rated? isn't mine...

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Still not sure how its a marketing scheme - the Jeep has additional items that make it more capable on the trail. Sorta like calling a HEMI badge on other vehicles a marketing scheme.
I never said it was a marketing scheme? I think you meant to quote someone else.
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Re: What makes the new GC Trail Rated? isn't mine...

Maybe I could make some side cash selling these
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Re: What makes the new GC Trail Rated? isn't mine...

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No - there's a reason for 18" rims for off-roading. As I mentioned in another thread, when you drop tire pressures for hard rocky areas you will need the extra tire sidewall height.

You can always do more (or less) to increase (or decrease) the off-road capability of a Jeep. "Trail-rated" is just a particular standard of capability that Jeep decided to use as a benchmark. Whether or not you care if you have that level of capability is up to you, but if you are running 20" rims you will not be at that capability level and hence you aren't running a "Trail-rated vehicle".
I don't have the 20's.. so I am not sure why you quoted me. And hardcore off-roaders will tell you that the 18's are too big for serious off-roading.

All I am saying is that you can be "trail-rated" without having the badge on your vehicle, which was the original question/purpose of this thread. The badge itself has nothing to do with the Jeeps capabilities other than visually representing certain features of that particular Jeep (QTII or QDII, the tow hooks, 18's & skid plates).
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Re: What makes the new GC Trail Rated? isn't mine...

Perhaps a summary my model that didn't have an ORA option would help

Laredo without ORA cannot be upgraded to Trail Rated since it requires QTII, Hill Decent and Select Terrain which you do not have

Laredo-X without ORA cannot be upgraded to Trail Rated since it requires QTII, Hill Decent and Select Terrain which you do not have

Limited without ORA and 18" wheels CAN be upgraded to Trail Rated by adding
- Skid Plates
- Tow Hooks
- Full size spare

Limited without ORA and 20" wheels CAN be upgraded to Trail Rated by adding
- Swap to 18" wheels and proper tires
- Skid Plates
- Tow Hooks
- Full size spare

Overland without ORA CAN be upgraded to Trail Rated by adding
- Swap to 18" wheels and proper tires
- Skid Plates
- Tow Hooks
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Re: What makes the new GC Trail Rated? isn't mine...

I have the Limited w/o the Off Road Adventure Package... I went with the 20's...
and was thinking of adding skid plates so I spent some time with the parts guys at my local dealer this past weekend trying to figure out what skid plates I can add-
like already stated, the catalog lists three : Transfer Case, Front Axle, and Fuel Tank...
but they kept insisting that I the Fuel Tank Plate would already be on the car and they all come with it?? one of the guys told me they installed them recently and the only ones needed are Transfer Case and Front Axle.

so are they just wrong?
if I wanted to add the Skid Plates on my WK2 would I need all three to match the factory ORA (besides the tow hooks and wheels of course)?
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Re: What makes the new GC Trail Rated? isn't mine...

what could be more important than a meaty tire with a sidewall for trail running? it's really that simple. loaded overlands used to come with 18"s standard and now they offer 20"s because the wheel well opening got so much bigger.
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Re: What makes the new GC Trail Rated? isn't mine...

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I never said it was a marketing scheme? I think you meant to quote someone else.
My bad, I actually didnt mean to quote anyone individually on that last post.
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Re: What makes the new GC Trail Rated? isn't mine...

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what could be more important than a meaty tire with a sidewall for trail running? it's really that simple. loaded overlands used to come with 18"s standard and now they offer 20"s because the wheel well opening got so much bigger.
The wheel well opening has nothing to do with it. The total diameter (wheel + tire) is the same whether you have 18" or 20" rims. The difference is that the tire on the 20" wheel has a lower aspect ratio (smaller sidewall). If this weren't the case, your speedometer would be off.

In years past, one of the ways that people would improve the performance of their sporty cars was to go "+1" or "+2" - this meant increasing the wheel size by one or two inches and picking a tire with a lower aspect ratio to maintain the same diameter.

The reason for going +1 is that tires with a lower aspect ratio deform less under hard cornering and can maintain more of the contact patch. The original trade-off for going +1 or +2 was a harsher ride.

As is so often the case, something that began as a performance item (e.g. spoilers) soon was adapted to be "eye candy" for the street. Tire technology has gotten better too -- if you tried 1980's tires on some of the silly 24" rims you see today, your fillings would rattle out.

It would be silly to pick 20" wheels over 18" wheels for cornering performance in a JGC - you're unlikely to be taking it to the track where something would matter; however it's certain NOT silly to prefer the look of the 20" wheels. For the record, I like the look of the 20" wheels too.

Since I am planning to take my Jeep off-road though, I prefer the functionality of the 18" wheels with the higher aspect ratio tires.
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