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Old 07-03-2015, 04:46 PM
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Why aren't Jeeps like foreign competition?

Thought this article would interest all those who want to know why Jeeps can't be built like German and Japanese vehicles.

"Some vehicles thirst for oil
03 Jul 2015 Erie Times-News



Newer cars aren't supposed to burn oil, but Consumer Reports magazine found that some engines -- mainly from Audi, BMW and Subaru -- force their owners to add a quart as often as once a month.In the magazine's annual survey of car owners, significant numbers reported what the magazine considered to be excessive oil consumption.
Consumer Reports focused on 2010 to 2014 models and called on automakers to make repairs under the powertrain warranty or to extend warranties on those vehicles.
"The companies should be willing to step up and take responsibility for their products," said Mark Rechtin, the magazine's cars content team leader.
Owners of newer cars, he said, shouldn't have to carry oil around and worry about adding it.
Most cars, he said, have dashboard lights warning drivers if their oil gets too low.
But failing to pay attention to that light eventually can cause the engine to be damaged.
The magazine's survey didn't find any link between oil consumption and other engine problems, but it found that cars that burn oil early consume more as they age.
It's normal for cars to burn a little oil as they age toward 100,000 miles, the magazine said in its August issue. But for a late-model car to burn a quart or more between changes is not acceptable, Rechtin said.


-- from wire reports

"Some vehicles thirst for oil" Erie Times-News 03 Jul 2015"

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Old 07-03-2015, 04:53 PM
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Re: Why aren't Jeeps like foreign competition?

So if we start adding a quart of oil a month to the Jeeps, will there be less TSBs and recalls?


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Old 07-03-2015, 05:26 PM
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Funny i was just reading that same article. Get this BMW considers burning a quart of oil every 600-700 miles as reasonable. Of the 30 listed top oil burners BMW has the 4 models that hold the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th positions, audi starts filling in after that. No american cars on list except chevy spark is number 30. Can you imagine bringing your $100k 7 series( 2nd on the list) BMW back (after breakin of course) because you have to add a quart every 600 miles and them telling you thats normal lol
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Re: Why aren't Jeeps like foreign competition?

Chrysler has better guidelines, but worse than I expected.

"Chrysler has adjusted its acceptable motor oil consumption guidelines for 2012-2013 Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep gasoline vehicles (Chrysler Bulletin #09-001-12 Engine Oil Consumption Guideline):

First 50,000 miles of engine life: one quart per 2,000 miles
Engines with over 50,000 miles: one quart per 750 miles
Aggressive driving conditions: one quart per 500 miles"


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Re: Why aren't Jeeps like foreign competition?

Interesting. I used to have a SBC that wanted a quart every 250 miles (and plugs near as often) but that had 10 years and 100k miles of weekend autocrossing.

Any more the herd (most of which have over 100k miles) do not need any between changes and that includes one with a merc engine.
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Re: Why aren't Jeeps like foreign competition?

This has got to be a joke! I have an '02 Ford Explorer with 160K and it burns NO oil between changes, and my work van is an '07 Chevy Uplander with 230K and it burns NO oil between changes. What's going on here?
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Re: Why aren't Jeeps like foreign competition?

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This has got to be a joke! I have an '02 Ford Explorer with 160K and it burns NO oil between changes, and my work van is an '07 Chevy Uplander with 230K and it burns NO oil between changes. What's going on here?
It's called "change your stance to CYA."

If they claim it to be "normal" they can skate on warranty coverage.

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Re: Why aren't Jeeps like foreign competition?

Getting back to the original question: because we do not expect an oil change to cost a yacht payment ?
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Re: Why aren't Jeeps like foreign competition?

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This has got to be a joke! I have an '02 Ford Explorer with 160K and it burns NO oil between changes, and my work van is an '07 Chevy Uplander with 230K and it burns NO oil between changes. What's going on here?

I had an '87 Bronco Il that went 168,000 in 6 years without adding oil. I changed the oil on that every 5,000 miles. That was the last high mileage car I owned, but haven't needed to add oil to anything since, even with the extended oil changes.

I guess the fact that they say it is acceptable doesn't mean it will happen. As already stated it is probably more about CYA.


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Re: Why aren't Jeeps like foreign competition?

Having owned an RX-7 and later an RX-8, I can tell you we are quite lucky these days with our cars. Rotary engines eat up oil like a hungry teen at an All-U-Can-Eat. It was not uncommon for me to go to the Mazda dealer and stock up when possible. Going on a short road trip meant bringing a couple of bottles just to "top up" when the occasion calls for it. Fortunately now I just watch the oil life percentage on the gauge and let that decide when my next oil change or fill is needed.
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Re: Why aren't Jeeps like foreign competition?

My wife has owned two 3 Series BMWs, and I've owned three Subarus (RS 2.5L, WRX, and STI)...none ever required additional oil between changes. Come to think of it, my two V6 Grand Cherokees never burned oil either.

We've both though always followed the manufacturer's recommended engine break-in to the letter.

500 miles on my new MB C300, and the oil level still reads "Full".
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Why aren't Jeeps like foreign competition?

My '08 WK 3.7L never needed oil between oil changes. I bought it brand new and traded it in at 66k.

The only car I've owned in the past that needed a 1/2qt between oil changes (every 3k) was my 2.7L twin turbo S4. I was running mobil one full synthetic and that motor always ate a half quart. I guess high boost on two turbos can do that to a motor.




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