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Old 06-20-2013, 06:46 AM
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FCW seems defective on plenty of WK2's. When is the TSB coming out? Jeep should recognize this and act on it before it becomes a big deal.

One way to diagnose: Test drive 10 JGC under similar circumstances. See which ones warn you and which ones don't of a forward collision warning.
This has been discussed here the new system works well, actually improved. You might want to search the forums.... it is not something that can easily or safely for that matter be tested so much. Also people need to know the differences between crash mitigation and FCW.
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Old 06-20-2013, 07:00 AM
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If I pay 50 grand for a fully loaded vehicle, and the vehicle comes with a 'forward collision warning system', I expect it to pop up a warning at least once out of the multiple times idiots slam on their brakes in front of me on the freeway. Bottom line is, the system does not work or warn me under any circumstance UNLESS I am in adaptive cruise control mode, then it works. Techs at dealerships are incompetent and refuse to fix something if it does not trigger the common error when they run a systems test via a scanner.

There are many other people with the same issue. My point of view is jeep should give it a further look. But who am I to be quick in blaming them when the message board hippies dismiss so easily as well. Common minds think alike I suppose.

At any rate, I am taking the vehicle in this Saturday and will probably get the same diagnosis of 'well we scanned it and there are no errors so it must be just fine'. Well then, how exactly is it a 'FCW system' when you are going 70mph and someone fully slams on their brakes in front of you due to an 18 wheeler blowout and zero warnings go off whatsoever while you barely clip their bumper pulling into the emergency lane to avoid a collision? Does not sound like a working system to me.....

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BTW, I work for dealer groups and not just Chrysler but everyone. I have been in numerous 2014 JGC with this system it works very well in the conditions it is set up for.

Now despite you trying to insult me just because I am a member of this Forum, I will give you some reasonable advise.... Yours may not work properly, I have no idea, and your dealer may very well be an idiot. I suggest you take it elsewhere and get a second opinion in this case.

I can tell you also that 2 of us in this forum have tested the FCW and Crash mitigation systems in these and they work well. Also a reminder, Crash mitigation will not stop you from hitting a vehicle it is designed to limit the damage and protect the occupants. Same as Mercedes, same as every other vehicle out there (Volvo's system is the exception and as I don't service Volvo dealers I have never driven their system).
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Re: WK2's Have Forward Collision Warning Issues

The suggested testing protocol (everyone can crash on and of their own doing) was discussed here, a thread also started by the OP

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In there he talks of much the same. I agree that his system might be bad, but generalizing it to all our cars and asking for a TSB also leads me to believe that the OP does not understand either how the system works or that it is an individual unit not working, not an "epidemic".
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If I pay 50 grand for a fully loaded vehicle, and the vehicle comes with a 'forward collision warning system', I expect it to pop up a warning at least once out of the multiple times idiots slam on their brakes in front of me on the freeway. Bottom line is, the system does not work or warn me under any circumstance UNLESS I am in adaptive cruise control mode, then it works. Techs at dealerships are incompetent and refuse to fix something if it does not trigger the common error when they run a systems test via a scanner.

There are many other people with the same issue. My point of view is jeep should give it a further look. But who am I to be quick in blaming them when the message board hippies dismiss so easily as well. Common minds think alike I suppose.

At any rate, I am taking the vehicle in this Saturday and will probably get the same diagnosis of 'well we scanned it and there are no errors so it must be just fine'. Well then, how exactly is it a 'FCW system' when you are going 70mph and someone fully slams on their brakes in front of you due to an 18 wheeler blowout and zero warnings go off whatsoever while you barely clip their bumper pulling into the emergency lane to avoid a collision? Does not sound like a working system to me.....

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Keep in mind, if you already have your foot on the brake pedal, you will not get the brake alert.
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Yes of course... I am closer to the dealer side and I did test it in a controlled environment. It is tough to get it to do it but in situations you would have hit something it works. I find in the old system it came up too often. I am sure you have heard me say.... it is designed to save lives not to promote distraction (cell phones). The new one works exactly the same as in a GLK 350.
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Also a reminder, Crash mitigation will not stop you from hitting a vehicle it is designed to limit the damage and protect the occupants. Same as Mercedes, same as every other vehicle out there (Volvo's system is the exception and as I don't service Volvo dealers I have never driven their system).
I think there is a public education campaign that needs to happen in regard to this. I forget which car advertisement on TV it is (I believe it's Mercedes) shows a kid playing ball and a driver not paying attention. You've probably seen it. You're made to believe the car STOPS by itself in front of the kid running out to get the ball. The car stops VERY suddenly, the kid gets up, mom is frightened but wow, everything is just fine because the idiot driver happens to be rich and bought a Mercedes.

It's understandable that when people see that, they expect that this is how most collision avoidance systems work.
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I think there is a public education campaign that needs to happen in regard to this. I forget which car advertisement on TV it is (I believe it's Mercedes) shows a kid playing ball and a driver not paying attention. You've probably seen it. You're made to believe the car STOPS by itself in front of the kid running out to get the ball. The car stops VERY suddenly, the kid gets up, mom is frightened but wow, everything is just fine because the idiot driver happens to be rich and bought a Mercedes.

It's understandable that when people see that, they expect that this is how most collision avoidance systems work.
That is a very good point. I guess I didn't think about what those commercials represent.

If you notice they used to call them crash avoidance. Most manufactures now call it crash mitigation and as my other posts point out mitigation = reduce severity.

They should definitely make it more clear.
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Re: WK2's Have Forward Collision Warning Issues

The change from "avoidance" to "mitigation" was probably done at the behest of corporate lawyers who were most likely inundated with claims from early adopters who said that the "crash avoidance" systems didn't help them avoid the crash.

As we know, lawyers love to "mitigate" things.
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As we know, lawyers love to "mitigate" things.
Ah the other mitigate "to interfere"
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Or, we as consumers have a responsibility to know what the products we're purchasing are/are not capable of. The owner's manual is a great place to start, as well as the Jeep website.

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Or, we as consumers have a responsibility to know what the products we're purchasing are/are not capable of. The owner's manual is a great place to start, as well as the Jeep website.

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Honestly though, who RTFM unless they really have to?

(sometimes I do, but usually I don't)

Not excusing ignorance, just saying marketing can have a lot of influence on peoples' expectations.
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Honestly though, who RTFM unless they really have to?

(sometimes I do, but usually I don't)

Not excusing ignorance, just saying marketing can have a lot of influence on peoples' expectations.
It is probably in the fine print at the bottom of the commercial (driver actually stopped vehicle once warned).... The Mercedes commercial I am referring to that is.
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